School Shooting

[DinoDoc]

And the examples that NRA tools use to support their position, are actually cases where the attacker had already stopped or was already fleeing.

Joel Myrick seems like a good example here as none of those conditions applied when he got involved in stopping the Pearl shooting.

[MichaeltheGreat]

I'm not really a fan of the "OK Corral" approach, but that is a bit of agenda based reportage. "The killer had already apparently stopped" is something figured out by investigators after the fact - not something apparent in real time. Relying on whether the killer has decided he's done yet is not an approach I'd prefer, thank you.

Also, the two guys who tried to intervene and didn't have much luck - the first one was a dumbass, you don't confront a shooter like that, you take his ****ing head off, end of story. The other guy got himself killed, but there's no detail on the tactical situation or whether he accomplished anything. Personally, if I'm dealing with someone with body armor and a Kalashnikov, I'm going to stay in cover unless and until I have a decent opportunity to make a head shot, unless it's a family member at risk from the shooter. Even with body armor, that's an advertisement for .45 ACP pr .357 Sig. Any decent hit on the body armor will knock the shooter on his ass, and give you the opportunity for a lethal follow up shot if you're in a position to take it.

There is one valid point that the OK Corral crowd misses - it's not just arming everyone, it's the people being armed needing to have the skill, tactical sense, training and nerves to perform effectively.

[Felch]

I like how Mother Jones can be relied on to mock the heroic efforts of people like Brendan McKown and Mark Wilson.

Joel Myrick seems like a good example here as none of those conditions applied when he got involved in stopping the Pearl shooting.

Oh MJ says he doesn't count because he was a Reservist. And as we all know, Reservists are elite badasses who do nothing but train with firearms all day, every day.

[dannubis]

To be fair, a giant egg would scare the hell out of me too...

[Felch]

Also, I love how Mother Jones can say that no mass shooting has been stopped by armed civilians, and they support this by defining mass shootings as those with four or more dead victims.

Which means that if a shooter kills two or three innocent people, is able and apparently motivated to kill more, but is stopped by an armed citizen, Mother Jones ignores it.

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No successful mass shooting has ever been foiled by armed citizens, by definition.

[Felch]

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To be fair, a giant egg would scare the hell out of me too...

I don't recognize those guns. They look like video game models.

As far as the Kinder Surprise, you're right, we don't allow people to sell candy with choking hazards inside. I don't agree with the law, but cowards always overreact to negligible threats.

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I like how Mother Jones can be relied on to mock the heroic efforts of people like Brendan McKown and Mark Wilson.



Oh MJ says he doesn't count because he was a Reservist. And as we all know, Reservists are elite badasses who do nothing but train with firearms all day, every day.

My recollection is that Army reservists and guardsmen who aren't infantry will qualify on their weapons maybe once a year, sometimes once every two years.

[Felch]

No successful mass shooting has ever been foiled by armed citizens, by definition.

I love how we're expected to trust the police after what happened at the Empire State Building this year.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Also, I love how Mother Jones can say that no mass shooting has been stopped by armed civilians, and they support this by defining mass shootings as those with four or more dead victims.

Which means that if a shooter kills two or three innocent people, is able and apparently motivated to kill more, but is stopped by an armed citizen, Mother Jones ignores it.

Unfortunately, that's not what happened according to the article you cited. The guy didn't engage the shooter, the shooter wandered off and shot himself. Also, the guy in question was trained (albeit minimally) as an armed security guard. Not quite an effective indictment of Mother Jones' cherrypicking about the NRA's cherrypicking.

[Hauldren Collider]

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To be fair, a giant egg would scare the hell out of me too...

Those are video game weapons...

[dannubis]

Yes, Felch said that already. And just like yourself he manages to miss the point entirely

[Felch]

Unfortunately, that's not what happened according to the article you cited. The guy didn't engage the shooter, the shooter wandered off and shot himself. Also, the guy in question was trained (albeit minimally) as an armed security guard. Not quite an effective indictment of Mother Jones' cherrypicking about the NRA's cherrypicking.

I don't know why the gunmen stopped shooting, maybe he was deterred by seeing someone else with a gun, maybe he just got high and wandered off, but at the very least it's proof that armed civilians aren't trigger happy morons. And while it's not a perfect example, it happened about a week ago so I figured it was pertinent.

[Felch]

Yes, Felch said that already. And just like yourself he manages to miss the point entirely

Is the point that video games are legal and choking hazards are not?

[kittenOFchaos]

Step 1...

Research the percentage of guns in the USA that are classed as assault rifles.

Step 2...

Look at what percentage of homicides involving a firearm are committed using an assault rifle.

Step 3...

Draw a conclusion.