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I wouldn't voluntarily hand in my guns. I'd tell my friends I had and then just hold on to them.
If anyone finds out, REGEXCELLENT'S LAST STAND!

(BTW our government isn't in the habit of confiscating previously-legal property without compensation; in fact I believe that is unconstitutional. Good luck finding the money to buy 300 million guns.)

[MichaeltheGreat]

It doesn't take talent to build a suicide vest. A little shopping run to Target and Home Depot are all that's needed, along with a little knowledge. It's out there. How many people did Tim McVeigh and Terry Nicholds kill with guns? And they weren't rocket scientists by any means.

A century? lol, by then we'll have phasers and guns would be antiques.

[kentonio]

I wouldn't voluntarily hand in my guns. I'd tell my friends I had and then just hold on to them.
If anyone finds out, REGEXCELLENT'S LAST STAND!

Sure you would little man.

(BTW our government isn't in the habit of confiscating previously-legal property without compensation; in fact I believe that is unconstitutional. Good luck finding the money to buy 300 million guns.)

Of course it would require compensation. You don't think the United States of America could afford to buy back 300m guns?

It doesn't take talent to build a suicide vest. A little shopping run to Target and Home Depot are all that's needed, along with a little knowledge. It's out there. How many people did Tim McVeigh and Terry Nicholds kill with guns? And they weren't rocket scientists by any means.

Where are all these bombings in countries where we don't have guns? You're comparing someone being able to just pick up a highly deadly weapon and use it, to someone having to construct an explosive device which for most people is not simple or easy. On the occasions amateurs have used explosives, a lot of the time they've managed to **** it up in the process.

Oh and McVeigh and Terry Nichols were both ex-army.

[Felch]

Sure millions of guns will remain out there, but over time that figure will fall and fall, especially if you keep offering amnesties so when the government doesn't actually try and enslave the people, folks will over time become increasingly willing to comply.

What makes you think the government won't try to enslave people? You think that liberal democracy is impossible to subvert? Even right now, Russia is slipping back into authoritarianism, Egypt's president is trying to end the rule of law, and Thailand's democratic system is in crisis. It's naive to think that democracy is eternal, and disrespectful to those who died defending it.

[Felch]

Oh and McVeigh and Terry Nichols were both ex-army.

Yeah, because the Army teaches soldiers how to build their own bombs with diesel fuel and fertilizer.

[Hauldren Collider]

Europe hasn't even been democratic for fifty years. Spain and Portugal for instance only became democracies in the last 30-40 years or so.

[Hauldren Collider]

Oh yeah, and gun control worked really well during the Troubles, didn't it? Definitely stopped all those mass shootings

Unfortunately they didn't have the foresight to keep the guns away from the Paras, might've stopped some murders on that one Sunday...

[MichaeltheGreat]

Sure you would little man.
Where are all these bombings in countries where we don't have guns? You're comparing someone being able to just pick up a highly deadly weapon and use it, to someone having to construct an explosive device which for most people is not simple or easy. On the occasions amateurs have used explosives, a lot of the time they've managed to **** it up in the process.

It's the mindset and/or mental health services. Most countries don't have the proportion of people who want to make a point by killing as many people as they can. These people also often engage in a significant amount of pre-planning. So if guns aren't available, and the mindset is there, they'll find a way. Personally, I could design and build a GPS autopiloted drone with a little encrypted radio control for final guidance and use it to deliver 10-15kg explosive payloads pretty much wherever I wanted to, but I don't have the mindset to just go blow up people. It would be a fun home engineering project, but without that agenda, I don't have the motivation to spend the time and money.

Oh and McVeigh and Terry Nichols were both ex-army.

Yeah, McVeigh and Nichols were both ex-army, but neither were combat engineers, EOD or any other MOS where they'd handle ordnance, so nothing in their army experience was relevant to their bomb-making enterprise.

[kentonio]

What makes you think the government won't try to enslave people?

Because I'm not a paranoid ******?

You think that liberal democracy is impossible to subvert? Even right now, Russia is slipping back into authoritarianism, Egypt's president is trying to end the rule of law, and Thailand's democratic system is in crisis. It's naive to think that democracy is eternal, and disrespectful to those who died defending it.

I think the fact you just compared America to Russia, Egypt and Thailand says it all really.

Yeah, because the Army teaches soldiers how to build their own bombs with diesel fuel and fertilizer.

You don't think the army might be a more useful place to learn about explosive devices than civilian life?

[regexcellent]

You don't think the army might be a more useful place to learn about explosive devices than civilian life?

A high school chemistry class would teach you way more. If you took AP Chemistry or some chemistry in college, then you probably have the expertise to build an explosive device. I know how to make thermite and some explosives just from chem class.

[regexcellent]

It looks like the big policy Obama is pushing over this is closing private sales without an FFL/background check. Which is something I mentioned earlier in this thread that, while irritating, is relatively benign and could be potentially meaningful.

Note that this is what many liberals refer to as the "gun show loophole" (despite the fact that this rarely happens at actual gun shows).

[MichaeltheGreat]

You don't think the army might be a more useful place to learn about explosive devices than civilian life?

We try to teach FNGs not to step on them or drive over them, but that's about it, unless it's directly relevant to your MOS, which is the case for maybe 1-2% of the Army.

[kentonio]

Europe hasn't even been democratic for fifty years. Spain and Portugal for instance only became democracies in the last 30-40 years or so.

This is why you sounds stupid when you talk about 'Europe' as a single entity.

Oh yeah, and gun control worked really well during the Troubles, didn't it? Definitely stopped all those mass shootings

Unfortunately they didn't have the foresight to keep the guns away from the Paras, might've stopped some murders on that one Sunday...

Not having Ireland awash with legal guns certainly did work well. The place would have been even more of a bloodbath otherwise. Of course there wouldn't have been so many illegal ones there if stupid ****s in Boston and other US cities hadn't kept funding the terrorists who blew up city centres, pubs and hotels and murdered hundreds of people in cold blood.

It's the mindset and/or mental health services. Most countries don't have the proportion of people who want to make a point by killing as many people as they can.

No it seems not, but we do have plenty of people who are perfectly capable of snapping and killing someone on the spur of the moment. Except that is far, far less likely to happen if they only have a knife or bat or car handy.

[kentonio]

Note that this is what many liberals refer to as the "gun show loophole" (despite the fact that this rarely happens at actual gun shows).

Please provide your evidence for this rarely happening, it appears that data is not readily available.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...nt-guns-are-s/

[regexcellent]

I bet you could kill a lot of people if you careened through Trafalgar Square in a truck.