Scott Walker's crusade continues

[DinoDoc]

There is no civil rights violation with workers

Freedom of Association is a pretty damn important right.

as they can remain in United States and work at a different job where there is no union, or quit their current job, where there is a union.

And gays can just as easily move to a different state that allows gay marriage.

[MrFun]

I'm not sure how many times I have to say this, but non-union workers already have freedom of association.

Moving from one state to another to get married is still a civil rights violation, as this civil right is supposed to be national, and based on national citizenship.

[DinoDoc]

I'm not sure how many times I have to say this, but non-union workers already have freedom of association

Not if they have to pay dues or otherwise have the dues collected from the money they are legally entitled to given over to the benefit of a private entity they chose not to join.

Moving from one state to another to get married is still a civil rights violation, as this civil right is supposed to be national, and based on national citizenship.

And yet you feel comfortable telling people to quit and possibly have to move when you people are unwilling to do the same?

[giblets]

It's an affront to FREEDOM if workers have to pay dues to a union that are smaller than the wage gains they enjoy because of a collective bargaining agreement.

[Felch]

Right. And this has nothing to do with that choice. You understand this... right?

I don't understand how right to work legislation has nothing to do with the choice of joining a union. That seems to be the entire point of the legislation.

[Imran Siddiqui]

What's with this italics posting? You pretended to be self biased now?

[DinoDoc]

If they chose not to pay dues to the union, what right do you or anyone else have to force such payment?

[Felch]

It's an affront to FREEDOM if workers have to pay dues to a union that are smaller than the wage gains they enjoy because of a collective bargaining agreement.

Isn't it? Not every option is equal, but there's no reason not to give people a choice.

[DinoDoc]

What's with this italics posting? You pretended to be self biased now?

I'm not posting in italics.

[MrFun]

Not if they have to pay dues or otherwise have the dues collected from the money they are legally entitled to given over to the benefit of a private entity they chose not to join.And yet you feel comfortable telling people to quit and possibly have to move when you people are unwilling to do the same?

For fvck's sake, how much are union dues usually per paycheck anyway? Three or four dollars?

As gribbler just posted, the wage increases and benefits non-union workers gain from the unions' collective bargaining efforts are greater than the pittance paid in union dues.

And I thought you are a huge proponent of the free market? Workers don't like where they're working; okay, they can quit and look for another job elsewhere.

And what about my point about workers working for companies where they strongly disagree with the politics of the CEOs? Should CEOs then be prohibited from lobbying and contributing campaign funds?

[giblets]

Isn't it? Not every option is equal, but there's no reason not to give people a choice.

They benefit from the CBA therefore they owe the union a fee for the cost of providing the CBA.

[MrFun]

If they chose not to pay dues to the union, what right do you or anyone else have to force such payment?

NON-UNION WORKERS ARE NOT BEING FORCED TO PAY UNION DUES!

[MichaeltheGreat]

In this case I willingly signed a contract to be part of this gym. This isn't the case with your other example.When I take a job, I'm agreeing to provide my labor in return for a negotiated wage not agreeing to be a member of a private organization or have my paycheck taxed by that same organization.

Nice try. If you take a union job in a union shop, you know what you're doing and the consent is the same. Your argument is no different than saying "I agreed to join the gym and pay the gym, not to pay the finance company that runs the gym's contracts. You're aware of all relevant data (it's a union shop and here's the dues...) and you consent to it. It's a condition of employment, just like a consent to a background check and a piss test. Take it all, or leave it all, you don't get to pick and choose.

[Felch]

What's with this italics posting? You pretended to be self biased now?

It's not italics, it's some horrible font.

[MichaeltheGreat]

I don't understand how right to work legislation has nothing to do with the choice of joining a union. That seems to be the entire point of the legislation.

The entire point of the legislation is to eviscerate unions.