Scott Walker's crusade continues

[DinoDoc]

So precisely how many other areas do you advocate that people be given a specific benefit, then choose after the fact if, whether, and how much they want to pay for that benefit?

When you hunt, do you pay membership dues to Ducks Unlimited or any of the other hunting groups even though you benefit from their efforts? When you fish, do you contribute to any Sportfishing organizations since you also benefit from their efforts?

[Felch]

They had that choice before this new anti-worker law.

And now that freedom has been strengthened.

I would feel offended, and likely quit that job, as it is my choice to do so.

You say this, but I don't believe you. High paying jobs just aren't that easy to come by. Wouldn't it be better if your union didn't involve itself in partisan politics and instead just stuck to collective bargaining? This isn't entirely hypothetical. As MtG pointed out earlier, a lot of union workers don't agree with the social policies of the Democratic party.

[giblets]

Why should I have to pay taxes for national defense? Since America is all about freedom shouldn't I simply decide how much money I feel like handing over to the department of defense?

[MrFun]

And now that freedom has been strengthened.

Wouldn't it be better if your union didn't involve itself in partisan politics and instead just stuck to collective bargaining? This isn't entirely hypothetical. As MtG pointed out earlier, a lot of union workers don't agree with the social policies of the Democratic party.

Union members should be allowed freedom of association, so if they want to lobby and contribute campaign funds just as CEOs do, I'm all for that.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Wouldn't it be better if your union didn't involve itself in partisan politics and instead just stuck to collective bargaining?

One may argue that the Democratic Party creates more pro-labor policies, hence partisan politics may indeed help collective bargaining (wasn't it mentioned that a higher min wage would likely lead to higher union wages?)

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Union members should be allowed freedom of association, so if they want to lobby and contribute campaign funds just as CEOs do, I'm all for that.

Don't know what you are driving at. They already do. And just as the CEO of Papa John's pizza gets to feel the market effects of his political shenanigans so should the unions.

[MrFun]

OMG! Union members are motivated to support politicians that support unions' interests just as CEOs are motivated to support politicians that support CEOs' interests!!

News at ten.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

And people who don't like the political activities of a given CEO choose not to buy the CEO product, in similar fashion to workers get to choose not to buy a Union's products if they don't like the Union political activities.

[MrFun]

And people who don't like the political activities of a given CEO choose not to buy the CEO product, in similar fashion to workers get to choose not to buy a Union's products if they don't like the Union political activities.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Good then they get to continue their employment and tell the union to shove off. RTW

[MrFun]

We don't need anti-worker laws like, "right to work." Non-union workers had choices already.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

No, but moreover union workers did not.

[Felch]

Why should I have to pay taxes for national defense? Since America is all about freedom shouldn't I simply decide how much money I feel like handing over to the department of defense?

Are unions authorized by the Constitution? How about you try a less lazy line of argument?

Union members should be allowed freedom of association, so if they want to lobby and contribute campaign funds just as CEOs do, I'm all for that.

And you have no problem with them sending money to bigots?

One may argue that the Democratic Party creates more pro-labor policies, hence partisan politics may indeed help collective bargaining (wasn't it mentioned that a higher min wage would likely lead to higher union wages?)

One could argue that. But Democrats only pull in about 60% of the union vote, so it's silly to pretend that there isn't a significant number of union members who have other priorities (gun rights, social issues, or whatever). A good union would try not to alienate 40% of its membership, and if it did alienate them, then it has no business whining about their reticence in paying for political activity they don't support.

OMG! Union members are motivated to support politicians that support unions' interests just as CEOs are motivated to support politicians that support CEOs' interests!!

News at ten.

Those that are motivated would gladly write checks to such politicians, without needing the money deducted from their paychecks.

We don't need anti-worker laws like, "right to work." Non-union workers had choices already.

Michigan's democratically elected government disagrees.

[giblets]

What does "authorized by the Constitution" have to do with it? Do you have any more non sequiturs you would like to bring up? Why should I be expected to pay for a service I benefit from if I don't want to?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Are unions authorized by the Constitution? How about you try a less lazy line of argument?

So being the Constitution means that freedom doesn't matter anymore with that issue? That's a ridiculous arguement.