benghazi conspiracy = birthers

[Felch]

Does anybody remember who the last person on this forum to drop an N-bomb was?

[Ben Kenobi]

If the bodycount and/or prestige of position determines the level of scandal facing a President, then Obama has a lot of catching up to do if he wants his legacy of American deaths to surpass Bush.

In terms of American ambassadors, so far the count is Bush, 0, Obama, 1. There hasn't been an ambassador killed since Carter.

[MrFun]

Does anybody remember who the last person on this forum to drop an N-bomb was?

Does anyone know who the last person on this forum was to drop the F-bomb was? Oh wait - and the person who dropped the N-bomb did so, in reply to the F-bomb to make a valid point.

[DinoDoc]

Does anyone know who the last person on this forum was to drop the F-bomb was? Oh wait - and the person who dropped the N-bomb did so, in reply to the F-bomb to make a valid point.

The f-bomb is ****. You'll have to come up with another term to mean ******.

[DaShi]

Classified cable warned consulate couldn't withstand 'coordinated attack'

Quit grasping. You're going to have to come up with some real evidence, if you want to continue this.

[DaShi]

Oh, and pure hindsight. Even in that article. Soon you'll run out of cherries.

[DinoDoc]

Sure. Ok.

[DaShi]

DD, your argument is that the State Department should have removed the consulate based entirely on hindsight. The fact is that they were aware of the dangers, but did not have enough evidence to believe that there would be a coordinated attack. The articles you didn't read mention all this. Posting articles alone doesn't prove your point. You've got to use your brain.

[DaShi]

I guess if you have to blame anyone for this, then it would have to be the House Republicans who have cut security for our diplomats, including the Benghazi consulate. No wonder they weren't prepared for a coordinated attack!

[DinoDoc]

DaShi: The argument that they should have removed the consulate staff is based solely on the situation as it existed prior to 9/11/12 which caused both the UK (Their ambassador had been the subject of an assassination attempt himself) and Red Cross to pull out due to the security situation in Benghazi leaving the US as the last Western representatives in the city. The American consulate had been the subject of at least one attack before and the staff was clearly worried about the state of security at the Benghazi consulate. What part of the run up to this situation screams competence on the part of the State Department to you?

[Felch]

Does anyone know who the last person on this forum was to drop the F-bomb was? Oh wait - and the person who dropped the N-bomb did so, in reply to the F-bomb to make a valid point.

[DaShi]

I'm not saying there isn't an argument for removing the consulate. I'm saying that that argument is now being made in hindsight. US consulates and embassies have been attacked before, some successful and some not. Mistakes were clearly made. Otherwise, this would not have happened. However, it remains unclear where the blame will fall and likely not not be addressed at all. Nor does it reflect incompetency from the State Department. Had this not been made a political issue, more would be done actually to identify what went wrong and what are the lessons learned than to shift blame. That there are so many complaints over what Rice and Obama said at the time demonstrates this.

[kentonio]

Let's not even pretend that this has anything to do with learning lessons. Unless that lesson is that crying fake tears about dead people you never gave a **** about before can actually be quite politically convenient.

[Ben Kenobi]

Does anyone know who the last person on this forum was to drop the F-bomb was? Oh wait - and the person who dropped the N-bomb did so, in reply to the F-bomb to make a valid point.

The category, "gay people who are racists" still has only one member.

[Felch]

I'm not saying there isn't an argument for removing the consulate. I'm saying that that argument is now being made in hindsight. US consulates and embassies have been attacked before, some successful and some not. Mistakes were clearly made. Otherwise, this would not have happened. However, it remains unclear where the blame will fall and likely not not be addressed at all. Nor does it reflect incompetency from the State Department. Had this not been made a political issue, more would be done actually to identify what went wrong and what are the lessons learned than to shift blame. That there are so many complaints over what Rice and Obama said at the time demonstrates this.

This is all pretty reasonable. I'm not too perturbed by what was said, so much as making sure this doesn't happen again. My beef is with people who want to give the administration a pass, because that makes it more likely for this whole thing to be forgotten.