So about that abortion thing..

[Hauldren Collider]

Guynemer, that's ****ing terrifying.

[kentonio]

You have yet to acknowledge the whole "killing people is bad" thing, and that because killing people is bad what women think is irrelevant once you consider the fetus a person. Once you acknowledge that, we can move on.

The fact that you think you care more about life than the woman actually carrying a child says it all really. You're standing on a crappy little moral soapbox preaching to women that you know better than them. Good luck with that in real life.

Only with you. You're not interesting to talk to because you don't actually participate. You just shout I BELIEVE X AND PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE Y ARE STUPID! HYPOCRITES BECAUSE X IS RIGHT AND Y IS WRONG.

This from the guy who calls his opponents murderers?

[Hauldren Collider]

I don't think you're a murderer. Unless you've had an abortion and underwent some very peculiar surgery?

[kentonio]

I'm certainly not your only opponent on this issue.

[onodera]

Why is the question whether the fetus is a person or not even raised in a serious discussion? There are animals that are more intelligent than small children, babies and of course fetuses, yet killing them is legal. If you don't find killing them objectionable, why object to killing something much less intelligent and self-unaware?

[DinoDoc]

Why is the question whether the fetus is a person or not even raised in a serious discussion? There are animals that are more intelligent than small children, babies and of course fetuses, yet killing them is legal. If you don't find killing them objectionable, why object to killing something much less intelligent and self-unaware?

Why do you object to killing babies and small children onodera?

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Topical news from Ireland-

The husband of a pregnant woman who died in an Irish hospital has said he has no doubt she would be alive if she had been allowed an abortion.

Savita Halappanavar's family said she asked several times for her pregnancy to be terminated because she had severe back pain and was miscarrying.

Her husband told the BBC that it was refused because there was a foetal heartbeat.

Ms Halappanavar's death, on 28 October, is the subject of two investigations.

An autopsy carried out two days after her death found she had died from septicaemia, according to the Irish Times.

Ms Halappanavar, who was 31 and originally from India, was a dentist.

Praveen Halappanavar said staff at University Hospital Galway told them Ireland was "a Catholic country".


When asked by the BBC if he thought his wife would still be alive if the termination had been allowed, Mr Halappanavar said: "Of course, no doubt about it."

He said Savita had been "on top of the world" before experiencing difficulties.

"It was her first baby, first pregnancy and you know she was on top of the world basically," he said.

"She was so happy and everything was going well, she was so excited.

"On the Saturday night everything changed, she started experiencing back pain so we called into the hospital, the university hospital."

He said she continued to experience pain and asked a consultant if she could be induced.

"They said unfortunately she can't because it's a Catholic country," Mr Halappanavar said.

"Savita said to her she is not Catholic, she is Hindu, and why impose the law on her.

"But she said 'I'm sorry, unfortunately it's a Catholic country' and it's the law that they can't abort when the foetus is live."

The baby's heartbeat stopped on the Wednesday.

"I got a call at about half twelve on the Wednesday night that Savita's heart rate had really gone up and that they had moved her to ICU," Mr Halappanavar said.

"Things just kept on getting worse and on Friday they told me that she was critically ill."

He said some of Savita's organs stopped functioning and she died on Sunday 28 October.

Substantial risk
University Hospital Galway is to carry out an internal investigation. It said it could not comment on individual cases but would be cooperating fully with the coroner's inquest into Ms Halappanavar's death.

In a statement released on Wednesday, the Galway Roscommon University Hospitals Group extended its sympathy to the husband, family and friends of Ms Halappanavar.

It said it was standard practice to review unexpected deaths in line with the Irish Health Service Executive's (HSE) National Incident Management Policy.

"Galway Roscommon University Hospitals Group wishes to emphasise that the facts of this tragic case have yet to be established; that is the purpose of the review," the statement said.

The HSE has launched a separate investigation.

Asked if the Irish government would carry out an external inquiry into the death, Taoiseach (Prime Minister) Enda Kenny said: "It would be very appropriate that we don't rule anything out here, but there are two reports and investigations going on at the moment."

The group Precious Life, which campaigns against abortion, said its thoughts and prayers were with Ms Halappanavar's family.

In a statement, it said it hoped the investigations would "shed full light" on what had happened.

"Ireland's laws protecting unborn babies do not pose a threat to women's lives, according to the obstetricians and gynaecologists who care for women every day," they said.

Dr Muiris Houston, health analyst for The Irish Times, said that all of the circumstances surrounding the incident had not been revealed yet.

He described it as a "rare situation".

"It is deeply shocking, but I think as responsible people we have to remember that you do need to hear all sides of the story before you make any definitive comment," he said.

"I do believe we need to do that in this case."

About 600 protesters assembled outside the Irish parliament in Dublin on Wednesday evening, following Ms Halappanavar's death.

A group of about 40 protesters gathered outside the Irish embassy in London.

Abortion is illegal in the Republic except where there is a real and substantial risk to the life, as distinct from the health, of the mother.

The Irish government in January established a 14-member expert group to make recommendations based on a 2010 European Court of Human Rights judgment that the state failed to implement existing rights to lawful abortion where a mother's life was at risk.

A spokesperson for the Department of Health said that the group was due to report back to the Minister for Health, James Reilly, shortly.

"The minister will consider the group's report and subsequently submit it to government," the spokesperson said.

Mr Halappanavar is still in India after accompanying his wife's body there for her funeral.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20321741

[DinoDoc]

Topical news from Ireland-

I'm actually surprised the abortion wasn't allowed given the law as stated in the srticle.

[regexcellent]

The fact that you think you care more about life than the woman actually carrying a child says it all really. You're standing on a crappy little moral soapbox preaching to women that you know better than them. Good luck with that in real life.

To be honest with you I know more "pro-life" women than men (discounting all of the folks in Army ROTC because there is literally only one cadet I know who is not hard-right).

But in any case, obviously I care more about life than the difficulties of pregnancy. Which is a greater hardship: being pregnant or being dead?

[Dinner]

No, it's not. Please learn the laws of your own country.

Yeah, Reg got the "stand your ground" laws completely wrong. It's one of those nice sound bite names which is actually a horrible law in details.

[regexcellent]

What the hell? What details are there to get wrong? If you are threatened with lethal force you can use lethal force. You have no obligation to retreat or any of that. That's all there is to it. It is not very complicated.

I guess what I got wrong, in your view, is that I find it morally defensible..?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

I have decided that every time a new abortion thread is posted on Poly, I will endeavor to post at least one example per page of posts of a result from a GIS of "annoying gif" or something similar along those lines.

I am very much tempted to put everyone but Guynemer on ignore. I tried it as an experimtent and find it makes threads like these bearable.

Guy

[Elok]

Atlas Shagged is a late-2011 rush production directed by Atlas Shrugged Part I director Paul Johansson, using its entire original cast, in an attempt to recoup losses from it. The story centers on lustful industrialists "Horny Hardon" and "Bangme Buggered" as they travel/copulate around an America left underpopulated by an unhealthy attachment to loving, consensual relationships. All the most fertile and sexually desirable members of society are mysteriously disappearing, one by one, leaving behind only a cryptic question: "who is Big Johnson?"

Hardon and Buggered scour the country for clues, along the way finding a formula to make a man "harder than steel." In one memorable scene, Buggered pictures a whole train full of cable repairmen, pizza delivery boys and plumbers naked, concluding that they are likely all terrible in bed. At last they find Big Johnson and the missing people at Johnson's secluded Love Fortress, where Johnson (in an uninterrupted five-minute speech) details the new philosophy of Objectification that will save America. The best sex, Johnson explains, is sex wherein each seeks to climax as quickly and efficiently as possible, without concern for the other party's wishes or feelings. Johnson then demonstrates by brutally raping a homeless person at gunpoint, to general applause. The movie ends with the entire randy group planning a massive orgy; ultimately, however, they cannot agree on a mutually satisfactory arrangement, and in a post-credits sequence they are shown furiously masturbating while each gazes longingly at his or her most recent bank statement.

Critical reaction and sales were both generally poor ("reverse Viagra"; "the most depressing thing I've ever seen"), with Roger Ebert in particular noting that "I saw it a week ago, and I'm still impotent; also, the acting is quite poor, even by porn standards." However, the film did outperform Shrugged, Part I, allowing the sequel to go forward.

This joke took a while to type, and this thread sucks, so I'm gonna go ahead and repost the joke until someone finds it funny, pretends to, or the thread drops.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

This message is hidden because Elok is on your ignore list.

Nothing personal.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Elok, stop being a dick.