Paul Ryan Poll

[Hauldren Collider]

Let me clarify as that came out much harsher than I intended. You, your dad and brother are most likely great people that I'm sure I could have a good time sitting down with. Being born privledged is not a bad thing (indeed it is what most people strive for), doesn't make you bad person, and certianly completely outside of your control. It's not your fault that your perents are rich. However, it does distance you from how a vast majority of the population functions. How can you (or in this particlar case, Paul Ryan) lead a people that you cannot possibly understand?

I understand what you're saying, and here's my objection. Mitt Romney knows how to make money. That's why he's rich. He may have been born into a rich family but he clearly is pretty damn good at making money on his own. I don't see why that would fail to correspond to knowing how to make OTHER people rich as well. That's the idea, right? We're not trying to keep poor people poor--ideally, everyone would be rich. I realize that a rags-to-riches story would be a little more powerful for this, but just because he didn't grow up in the world they live in doesn't mean he can't figure out how to turn it around and make it better.

[C0ckney]

It really isn't. Understanding how the economy works does not require growing up in the ghetto. And I'm pretty sure Al is the only one on this board who has ever lived in the ghetto.

it really is a terrible analogy.

and al is not the only person here who has lived in a ghetto.

[DaShi]

I understand what you're saying, and here's my objection. Mitt Romney knows how to make money. That's why he's rich. He may have been born into a rich family but he clearly is pretty damn good at making money on his own. I don't see why that would fail to correspond to knowing how to make OTHER people rich as well. That's the idea, right? We're not trying to keep poor people poor--ideally, everyone would be rich. I realize that a rags-to-riches story would be a little more powerful for this, but just because he didn't grow up in the world they live in doesn't mean he can't figure out how to turn it around and make it better.

Rich people don't get rich by intending to make other people rich.

[giblets]

I understand what you're saying, and here's my objection. Mitt Romney knows how to make money. That's why he's rich. He may have been born into a rich family but he clearly is pretty damn good at making money on his own. I don't see why that would fail to correspond to knowing how to make OTHER people rich as well. That's the idea, right? We're not trying to keep poor people poor--ideally, everyone would be rich. I realize that a rags-to-riches story would be a little more powerful for this, but just because he didn't grow up in the world they live in doesn't mean he can't figure out how to turn it around and make it better.

How the **** is he supposed to understand why a black kid raised by a single mother in some ****ty neighborhood in Philadelphia failed to get rich? He'd probably just say what amounts to "that kid is doing it wrong. stop doing it wrong."

[DaShi]

I'm sure he'll say that Mormons just have a better culture.

[regexcellent]

That one's easy. AFDC.

[ZEE]

And I'm pretty sure Al is the only one on this board who has ever lived in the ghetto.

nope.

[Hauldren Collider]

How the **** is he supposed to understand why a black kid raised by a single mother in some ****ty neighborhood in Philadelphia failed to get rich? He'd probably just say what amounts to "that kid is doing it wrong. stop doing it wrong."

Easy. He'd probably tell him to stop trying to join the Marines.

[Aeson]

Romney is going to reduce the size of the military! :bombs:

[DaShi]

No, he's a conservative. He'll be impeached by his own party.

Anyway, looks like Ryan is rather polarizing, which is exactly what Romney doesn't need. Can't believed he caved.

However, it could be that he might be thinking long-term. Romney may truly not want to follow the Ryan plan and by making him VP, he'll effectively be taking him out of the game during his presidency.

[DinoDoc]

How can you (or in this particlar case, Paul Ryan) lead a people that you cannot possibly understand?

How does one understand government union workers angry someone limited their ability to soak the rest of us?

[DaShi]

How does one understand people who won't consider their rights as human beings?

[kentonio]

Donegal - how does Obama represent this particular background? He was born with a silver spoon in his mouth - never worked a day in his life, went to Harvard, went to Columbia. His 'work' was as a community organizer, and he certainly wasn't hurting.

It's amazing how you lot are so quick to sneer at someone who instead of using his education to just get as rich as possible decided to invest his time and energy into improving the community and helping society. I know 'community organizer' has become an insult for you retards, but it should be a badge of ****ing honour, especially for conservatives who were traditionally huge supporters of communities working together to improve their lives.

His mother was filthy rich. I'm curious to why it's relevant for Ryan/Romney and not relevant for Obama.

Provide some evidence to support that please, or else it will be added to your already huge list of blatent lies.

It really isn't. Understanding how the economy works does not require growing up in the ghetto.

People who have always been rich have no idea of the challenges that face people who grow up in deprived areas or circumstances. Things that seem 'obvious' to the rich like saving money, can be utterly ridiculous to someone who actually has to deal with the realities of getting by on next to nothing. Ryans extremist '**** the poor' plan is a perfect example of a right wing college kid sitting talking about how a world he's never really experienced should be run.

[Hauldren Collider]

It's amazing how you lot are so quick to sneer at someone who instead of using his education to just get as rich as possible decided to invest his time and energy into improving the community and helping society. I know 'community organizer' has become an insult for you retards, but it should be a badge of ****ing honour, especially for conservatives who were traditionally huge supporters of communities working together to improve their lives.

What makes you think that Mitt Romney earning money didn't improve the community and help society? I would wager that it did quite a bit more than "community organizing" did...

People who have always been rich have no idea of the challenges that face people who grow up in deprived areas or circumstances. Things that seem 'obvious' to the rich like saving money, can be utterly ridiculous to someone who actually has to deal with the realities of getting by on next to nothing. Ryans extremist '**** the poor' plan is a perfect example of a right wing college kid sitting talking about how a world he's never really experienced should be run.

You've frequently trashed Ryan's plan and never given any evidence that you've understood it at all. Like, do you realize that the plan primarily does nothing other than provide an actual cost cap? Like, just says, "hey, it turns out we don't have unlimited resources to throw at healthcare, and this is about as much as we can afford." Just acknowledging that simple truth apparently is "****ing the poor"? How about the fact that it finally does means-testing so that rich people don't get government bucks. Seriously, what do you actually KNOW about it other than what you read in liberal trash rags?

[kentonio]

What makes you think that Mitt Romney earning money didn't improve the community and help society? I would wager that it did quite a bit more than "community organizing" did...

If you truly believe that making yourself a huge pile of money magically helps communities then you're beyond help.

You've frequently trashed Ryan's plan and never given any evidence that you've understood it at all. Like, do you realize that the plan primarily does nothing other than provide an actual cost cap? Like, just says, "hey, it turns out we don't have unlimited resources to throw at healthcare, and this is about as much as we can afford." Just acknowledging that simple truth apparently is "****ing the poor"? How about the fact that it finally does means-testing so that rich people don't get government bucks. Seriously, what do you actually KNOW about it other than what you read in liberal trash rags?

I actually bothered to research it when it was first announced. It turns Medicare into a ****ing voucher system that is going to completely **** millions of people, especially as the value of the vouchers falls over time.

Oh and the best part to Ryans plans? They don't actually save money overall anyway, unless you believe his magical 'tax loopholes' argument which he's never bothered to actually specify.

Bizarrely though (and obviously to the complete surprise of everyone) the Ryan plan will involve rich people paying less taxes. Who saw that one coming?