Mitt V Britain

[Hauldren Collider]

I love that you just equated Mitt Romney to Hitler.

Yes, I saw that after I posted it, but left it in because I thought it was amusing

You seem to have rather studiously avoided the part where Israels President and Defence Minister both praised Obama btw, would you like to comment?

Yes I did.

The polls in israel speak a different story--Obama has about 5% approval there, maybe less. They play up their buddy-buddy relationship with Obama (that it is an open secret doesn't really exist) so that Obama still feels obligated to give them some support.

[giblets]

Where is your source for 5% approval? I've already provided a source that it's closer to 50%

[kentonio]

Yes I did.

Originally Posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
The polls in israel speak a different story--Obama has about 5% approval there, maybe less. They play up their buddy-buddy relationship with Obama (that it is an open secret doesn't really exist) so that Obama still feels obligated to give them some support.

That was in response to the politicians? You're seriously arguing that this was just pandering?

"But I should tell you honestly that this administration under President Obama is doing in regard to our security more than anything that I can remember in the past."

[regexcellent]

We are an ally of Israel and it's not a smart idea for Israeli leaders to publicly get involved in American elections lest that incur the wrath of the winner if they bet on the wrong pony.

[MOBIUS]

We are an ally of Israel and it's not a smart idea for Israeli leaders to publicly get involved in American elections lest that incur the wrath of the winner if they bet on the wrong pony.

**** me, he's proving to be a real Mitt for brains candidate!

His remarks in Israel were simply scary...

This is really the best candidate that the US can come up with...!?

[DaShi]

Wow, what an unMittigated disaster his trip was. Gaff after gaff at every stop. Plus, by pissing off the media so much, Obama doesn't need to worry about Romney outspending him. He'll get so much free publicity from them. Even FOX News is pissed.

[regexcellent]

**** me, he's proving to be a real Mitt for brains candidate!

His remarks in Israel were simply scary...

This is really the best candidate that the US can come up with...!?

He got a good audience in Israel and his supporters here, myself included, agree with what he said.

[DaShi]

**** me, he's proving to be a real Mitt for brains candidate!

His remarks in Israel were simply scary...

This is really the best candidate that the US can come up with...!?

He pretty much lost any gain he had with minorities with that statement. It's just simple tact; he doesn't have it.

[regexcellent]

Wow, what an unMittigated disaster his trip was. Gaff after gaff at every stop.

If you were actually paying attention as opposed to just parroting liberal media then you would know that this is false. His comments on Palestine were not a gaffe. Outlets like the New York Times, CNN, etc. are pretty much out to get him. The mainstream media is a hostile environment to Republicans and it always has been; this is just more proof of that.

Even FOX News is pissed.

Have you been watching FOX News Channel? I have. You are mistaken.

[DaShi]

Someone get this guy a newspaper:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/fact-check-romney-ignores-strong-government-role-in-polands-economy-as-he-heaps-praise/2012/07/31/gJQALr7FNX_story.html

FACT CHECK: Romney ignores strong government role in Poland’s economy as he heaps praise

By Associated Press, Updated: Tuesday, July 31, 3:49 PM

Republican presidential challenger Mitt Romney hailed Poland’s economy Tuesday as something akin to a Republican dream: a place of small government, individual empowerment and free enterprise.

While it’s true that Poland is one of Europe’s fastest-growing economies and boasts dynamic entrepreneurs, Romney’s depiction of Poland as a place of small government is debatable. Even 23 years after throwing off a communist command economy, the Polish government continues to have a strong presence in people’s lives: it gives women $300 for each baby they have, doubling that sum for poor families; it fully funds state university educations; and it guarantees health care to all its 38 million citizens.

And while Poland’s economic growth has certainly been impressive in recent years, this is partly the result of economic redistribution in the form of subsidies that have been flowing in from the European Union since it joined the bloc in 2004.

“Rather than heeding the false promise of a government-dominated economy, Poland sought to stimulate innovation, attract investment, expand trade, and live within its means,” Romney said in a speech in Warsaw. “Your success today is a reminder that the principles of free enterprise can propel an economy and transform a society.”

His comments appeared to be an indirect criticism of President Barack Obama’s handling of the economy as it struggles to recover from one of the worst recessions in decades.

Romney hasn’t yet described his own economic program in detail, but he has generally advocated lower taxes, free markets, less regulation and balancing the federal budget. He has also been highly critical of the government economic stimulus program under which Obama poured money into the economy in an effort to revive it from a deep recession.

He criticizes the new U.S. federal law aimed at increasing the number of people with health insurance, saying such policy decisions shouldn’t be dictated by Washington, but left up to individual states.

In Warsaw, Romney heaped praise on Poland, saying that it “empowered the individual, lifted the heavy hand of government, and became the fastest-growing economy in all of Europe.”

Poland is indeed one of the fastest growing economies in Europe, with growth of 4.3 percent last year and projected growth of around 3 percent this year — enviable numbers in an ailing Europe where some countries are in recession and many others are stagnant. Business people have also taken to capitalism, with small and medium businesses flourishing around the country.

But the government’s role is bigger than in the U.S. According to International Monetary Fund statistics, total government expenditure as a percentage of GDP was about 44 percent last year — compared to 41 percent in the United States.

Romney is on target when he notes that Poland has been living within its means — more or less, anyway. Last year, for example, state debt was 55 percent of GDP, making Warsaw look virtuous compared to many other European countries — or even the United States, whose debt was 103 percent of GDP, according to the IMF.

The government of Prime Minister Donald Tusk is struggling to bring down debt further, mindful of the predicament that Greece and other countries are now in, and recent cost-cutting reforms have won the praises of the rating agencies.

But his depiction of Poland as a haven for innovation and investment is certainly exaggerated. Just attend a meeting of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce in Warsaw or another business group, and the complaints are many: red tape makes it hard to start news businesses, a rigid labor code makes it difficult to fire ineffective employees, corruption and a slow court system can make it hard to enforce contracts.

Some also say that while their companies benefit from a skilled work force, the legacy of communism is still felt in a fear of risk-taking that hurts innovation.

Most Americans would also not trade in their standard of living for that in Poland. Growth has been dynamic in part because the country started off from such a low point after throwing off communism. Romney did not mention that unemployment is 12.4 percent or that wages are low. GDP per capita last year in Poland was $20,600 compared to $49,000 in the U.S., according to U.S. government data.

_____

Gera is AP’s chief correspondent in Poland and has covered the country since 2004.

Copyright 2012 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

[DaShi]

Someone get this guy a newspaper:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/fact-check-romney-ignores-strong-government-role-in-polands-economy-as-he-heaps-praise/2012/07/31/gJQALr7FNX_story.html

FACT CHECK: Romney ignores strong government role in Poland’s economy as he heaps praise

By Associated Press, Updated: Tuesday, July 31, 3:49 PM

Republican presidential challenger Mitt Romney hailed Poland’s economy Tuesday as something akin to a Republican dream: a place of small government, individual empowerment and free enterprise.

While it’s true that Poland is one of Europe’s fastest-growing economies and boasts dynamic entrepreneurs, Romney’s depiction of Poland as a place of small government is debatable. Even 23 years after throwing off a communist command economy, the Polish government continues to have a strong presence in people’s lives: it gives women $300 for each baby they have, doubling that sum for poor families; it fully funds state university educations; and it guarantees health care to all its 38 million citizens.

And while Poland’s economic growth has certainly been impressive in recent years, this is partly the result of economic redistribution in the form of subsidies that have been flowing in from the European Union since it joined the bloc in 2004.

“Rather than heeding the false promise of a government-dominated economy, Poland sought to stimulate innovation, attract investment, expand trade, and live within its means,” Romney said in a speech in Warsaw. “Your success today is a reminder that the principles of free enterprise can propel an economy and transform a society.”

His comments appeared to be an indirect criticism of President Barack Obama’s handling of the economy as it struggles to recover from one of the worst recessions in decades.

Romney hasn’t yet described his own economic program in detail, but he has generally advocated lower taxes, free markets, less regulation and balancing the federal budget. He has also been highly critical of the government economic stimulus program under which Obama poured money into the economy in an effort to revive it from a deep recession.

He criticizes the new U.S. federal law aimed at increasing the number of people with health insurance, saying such policy decisions shouldn’t be dictated by Washington, but left up to individual states.

In Warsaw, Romney heaped praise on Poland, saying that it “empowered the individual, lifted the heavy hand of government, and became the fastest-growing economy in all of Europe.”

Poland is indeed one of the fastest growing economies in Europe, with growth of 4.3 percent last year and projected growth of around 3 percent this year — enviable numbers in an ailing Europe where some countries are in recession and many others are stagnant. Business people have also taken to capitalism, with small and medium businesses flourishing around the country.

But the government’s role is bigger than in the U.S. According to International Monetary Fund statistics, total government expenditure as a percentage of GDP was about 44 percent last year — compared to 41 percent in the United States.

Romney is on target when he notes that Poland has been living within its means — more or less, anyway. Last year, for example, state debt was 55 percent of GDP, making Warsaw look virtuous compared to many other European countries — or even the United States, whose debt was 103 percent of GDP, according to the IMF.

The government of Prime Minister Donald Tusk is struggling to bring down debt further, mindful of the predicament that Greece and other countries are now in, and recent cost-cutting reforms have won the praises of the rating agencies.

But his depiction of Poland as a haven for innovation and investment is certainly exaggerated. Just attend a meeting of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce in Warsaw or another business group, and the complaints are many: red tape makes it hard to start news businesses, a rigid labor code makes it difficult to fire ineffective employees, corruption and a slow court system can make it hard to enforce contracts.

Some also say that while their companies benefit from a skilled work force, the legacy of communism is still felt in a fear of risk-taking that hurts innovation.

Most Americans would also not trade in their standard of living for that in Poland. Growth has been dynamic in part because the country started off from such a low point after throwing off communism. Romney did not mention that unemployment is 12.4 percent or that wages are low. GDP per capita last year in Poland was $20,600 compared to $49,000 in the U.S., according to U.S. government data.

_____

Gera is AP’s chief correspondent in Poland and has covered the country since 2004.

Copyright 2012 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

[DaShi]

If you were actually paying attention as opposed to just parroting liberal media then you would know that this is false. His comments on Palestine were not a gaffe. Outlets like the New York Times, CNN, etc. are pretty much out to get him. The mainstream media is a hostile environment to Republicans and it always has been; this is just more proof of that.

Prove it!

[DaShi]

Have you been watching FOX News Channel? I have. You are mistaken.

You are misinformed.

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=277F3412-DFCF-4F64-A8CD-369BCBAC8532

Mitt Romney aide's gaffe exposes rift
By: Dylan Byers
July 31, 2012 01:59 PM EDT

In one week abroad, Mitt Romney has managed to enrage both the Brits and the Palestinians. Now add to that roster his own press corps.

Over seven days in the UK, Israel and Poland, Romney held just one media availability for the U.S. traveling press — and even then, standing outside 10 Downing St. in London, he answered only three questions. While he gave a series of interviews to the major television networks, he granted no interviews to other U.S. outlets.

The snub has become the straw that broke the back of an already bitter press corps, long frustrated by limited access to the Republican candidate on the campaign trail. And those frustrations, which traveling reporters are voicing loud and clear online, are putting unprecedented pressure on the Romney campaign’s communications team.

(PHOTOS: Mitt Romney in Poland)

The tensions came to a head in Warsaw today when reporters, increasingly aware that there would be no end-of-tour press avail with the candidate, began shouting questions at Romney as he walked back to his vehicle from a wreath-laying at their Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.

“Kiss my ass; this is a holy site for the Polish people,” shouted Rick Gorka, a traveling press aide who has tussled with reporters before. “Show some respect.”

Gorka then told a reporter to “shove it.” (He would subsequently apologize to some of the reporters, calling his outburst “inappropriate.”)

(Also on POLITICO: Romney aide to reporters: 'Shove it!')

Members of the traveling press corps now wonder why they went all the way to Jerusalem and Gdansk to watch the candidate tour the monuments and hold meetings behind closed doors.

“So it’s official: Romney is leaving a 7-day foreign trip after answer only 3 Qs from the media,” Ashley Parker of the New York Times tweeted Tuesday morning.

”Romney trip by the numbers: Three foreign countries, and three questions from the traveling press,” Kasie Hunt of The Associated Press tweeted a few minutes later.

“We didn’t need to come all the way over here to handle photo ops,” another member of the press corps told POLITICO. “There is a growing frustration among reporters, a growing sense that the campaign doesn’t get it — we don’t want to screw you, we just want to do our job.”

“Here’s a guy making his audition on the world stage, his trip has been defined by gaffes, and he gives us five minutes and three questions in front of 10 Downing,” said another. “The appetite grows with each gaffe, and the campaign isn’t making it easier on themselves.”

High-profile media personalities have also complained. Last week, NBC News political director Chuck Todd and his co-authors at NBC’s First Read blog lamented Romney’s decision to ignore the U.S. press even as he took questions from members of the UK media.

“[T]hose of us that have traveled overseas and been involved in these VERY limited press avails have rarely seen heads of democracies TOTALLY ignore their own press corps but answer ANOTHER press corps’ questions,” he wrote in NBC’s First Read newsletter (Todd confirmed to POLITICO that he was the author of this paragraph). “Sure, it would have looked REALLY bad had Romney ignored the U.K. questions. But is the campaign so intent on limiting media access that the candidate won’t call an audible when standing next to a leader from another country who DOES want to take questions?”

In Poland this week, Fox News anchor Greta Van Susteren compared the experience to that of a petting zoo.

“There has been no press access to Governor Romney since we landed in Poland,” Van Susteren wrote on her blog. “We (press) are in a holding pattern (I can’t help but feel a bit like the press is a modified petting zoo since we are trapped in a bus while Polish citizens take pictures of us).”

Van Susteren, who interviewed Romney for Fox News but observed the distance the candidate kept from reporters in the press pool, expanded on those comments Tuesday afternoon.

“I think it would be smarter if they interacted with the press,” Van Susteren told POLITICO. “What struck me is that when the candidate got on board, he never waved to the reporters in the back of the plane. Lots of times candidates will come back and talk. I was struck that there was no off-the-record chatter, not even a wave.”

“You don’t want the only story to be access,” she said. “The story is now becoming access. The smarter move is to have the story be about the message.”

As Parker noted on Twitter, “Romney did do TV interviews” — specifically, two apiece with NBC News, CNN and Fox News, and one each with ABC News and CBS News.

Spokespeople for the Romney campaign declined to comment for this article, but Romney adviser Kevin Madden told POLITICO that the campaign did its best to balance the goals of meeting with foreign officials while also “carving out enough time to conduct media interviews with national news organizations.”

“The governor kept a very full and busy itinerary from the U.K. to Israel and on through to Poland,” Madden said. “The governor also made time for interviews that included every broadcast and cable news network, consisting of almost two hours of questions and answer time with those news organizations.”

But those television interviews, with the likes of Matt Lauer and Wolf Blitzer, have hardly satisfied the expectations of the press corps, who now envy the access they had to candidates Barack Obama and John McCain in 2008. When then-Sen. Obama went overseas in 2008, he held four press conferences in as many countries and took at least 25 questions, according to the Obama campaign. McCain, meanwhile, was known to visit the back of his press bus frequently to talk with reporters.

Some in today’s press corps blame the restricted access to Romney on what they describe as a disorganized communications outfit.

“The people who are assigned to work with the press are generally less experienced, less familiar with policy or presentation,” one member of the press corps told POLITICO. “They have some really good people in Boston, but they need to put someone better in place — someone who is not going to scream, ‘kiss my ass.’”

But with 98 days until the election, some reporters said it might be too hard to repair relations. On occasion, Romney has been known to make the occasional trip to the back of the press plane, handing out chips or cookies to reporters. But reporters say such attempts at detente will be harder to make following his European tour.

“You can’t hand out cookies now when there are serious questions to ask, and there are very serious questions to ask that the campaign has refused to answer,” one reporter told POLITICO.

“I don’t think anyone wants cookies anymore,” said another. “This is the rough and tumble now. There are going to be tough questions — the American people want that, the campaign should know that, and they should know that it’s better for them if the answers come out now.”

Madden told POLITICO that the Romney campaign “will continue to work with our traveling press corps to ensure that we maintain an open and well-managed level of access. As the campaign has progressed from the primary to the general and through this summer, we’ve seen interest in travel pick up and more and more reporters covering each and every campaign event. Our task is to work with reporters on a consistent basis to update them on the day-to-day details and happenings of the campaign.

“The press probably won’t be 100 percent happy with the level of access, just like any campaign isn’t 100 percent happy with the way some stories are reported, but the governor respects the press and the job they’re doing and we value the forum the media provides to deliver the governor’s message to voters and the public at large.”

[DaShi]

Have you been watching FOX News Channel? I have. You are mistaken.

You are misinformed.

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=277F3412-DFCF-4F64-A8CD-369BCBAC8532

Mitt Romney aide's gaffe exposes rift
By: Dylan Byers
July 31, 2012 01:59 PM EDT

In one week abroad, Mitt Romney has managed to enrage both the Brits and the Palestinians. Now add to that roster his own press corps.

Over seven days in the UK, Israel and Poland, Romney held just one media availability for the U.S. traveling press — and even then, standing outside 10 Downing St. in London, he answered only three questions. While he gave a series of interviews to the major television networks, he granted no interviews to other U.S. outlets.

The snub has become the straw that broke the back of an already bitter press corps, long frustrated by limited access to the Republican candidate on the campaign trail. And those frustrations, which traveling reporters are voicing loud and clear online, are putting unprecedented pressure on the Romney campaign’s communications team.

(PHOTOS: Mitt Romney in Poland)

The tensions came to a head in Warsaw today when reporters, increasingly aware that there would be no end-of-tour press avail with the candidate, began shouting questions at Romney as he walked back to his vehicle from a wreath-laying at their Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.

“Kiss my ass; this is a holy site for the Polish people,” shouted Rick Gorka, a traveling press aide who has tussled with reporters before. “Show some respect.”

Gorka then told a reporter to “shove it.” (He would subsequently apologize to some of the reporters, calling his outburst “inappropriate.”)

(Also on POLITICO: Romney aide to reporters: 'Shove it!')

Members of the traveling press corps now wonder why they went all the way to Jerusalem and Gdansk to watch the candidate tour the monuments and hold meetings behind closed doors.

“So it’s official: Romney is leaving a 7-day foreign trip after answer only 3 Qs from the media,” Ashley Parker of the New York Times tweeted Tuesday morning.

”Romney trip by the numbers: Three foreign countries, and three questions from the traveling press,” Kasie Hunt of The Associated Press tweeted a few minutes later.

“We didn’t need to come all the way over here to handle photo ops,” another member of the press corps told POLITICO. “There is a growing frustration among reporters, a growing sense that the campaign doesn’t get it — we don’t want to screw you, we just want to do our job.”

“Here’s a guy making his audition on the world stage, his trip has been defined by gaffes, and he gives us five minutes and three questions in front of 10 Downing,” said another. “The appetite grows with each gaffe, and the campaign isn’t making it easier on themselves.”

High-profile media personalities have also complained. Last week, NBC News political director Chuck Todd and his co-authors at NBC’s First Read blog lamented Romney’s decision to ignore the U.S. press even as he took questions from members of the UK media.

“[T]hose of us that have traveled overseas and been involved in these VERY limited press avails have rarely seen heads of democracies TOTALLY ignore their own press corps but answer ANOTHER press corps’ questions,” he wrote in NBC’s First Read newsletter (Todd confirmed to POLITICO that he was the author of this paragraph). “Sure, it would have looked REALLY bad had Romney ignored the U.K. questions. But is the campaign so intent on limiting media access that the candidate won’t call an audible when standing next to a leader from another country who DOES want to take questions?”

In Poland this week, Fox News anchor Greta Van Susteren compared the experience to that of a petting zoo.

“There has been no press access to Governor Romney since we landed in Poland,” Van Susteren wrote on her blog. “We (press) are in a holding pattern (I can’t help but feel a bit like the press is a modified petting zoo since we are trapped in a bus while Polish citizens take pictures of us).”

Van Susteren, who interviewed Romney for Fox News but observed the distance the candidate kept from reporters in the press pool, expanded on those comments Tuesday afternoon.

“I think it would be smarter if they interacted with the press,” Van Susteren told POLITICO. “What struck me is that when the candidate got on board, he never waved to the reporters in the back of the plane. Lots of times candidates will come back and talk. I was struck that there was no off-the-record chatter, not even a wave.”

“You don’t want the only story to be access,” she said. “The story is now becoming access. The smarter move is to have the story be about the message.”

As Parker noted on Twitter, “Romney did do TV interviews” — specifically, two apiece with NBC News, CNN and Fox News, and one each with ABC News and CBS News.

Spokespeople for the Romney campaign declined to comment for this article, but Romney adviser Kevin Madden told POLITICO that the campaign did its best to balance the goals of meeting with foreign officials while also “carving out enough time to conduct media interviews with national news organizations.”

“The governor kept a very full and busy itinerary from the U.K. to Israel and on through to Poland,” Madden said. “The governor also made time for interviews that included every broadcast and cable news network, consisting of almost two hours of questions and answer time with those news organizations.”

But those television interviews, with the likes of Matt Lauer and Wolf Blitzer, have hardly satisfied the expectations of the press corps, who now envy the access they had to candidates Barack Obama and John McCain in 2008. When then-Sen. Obama went overseas in 2008, he held four press conferences in as many countries and took at least 25 questions, according to the Obama campaign. McCain, meanwhile, was known to visit the back of his press bus frequently to talk with reporters.

Some in today’s press corps blame the restricted access to Romney on what they describe as a disorganized communications outfit.

“The people who are assigned to work with the press are generally less experienced, less familiar with policy or presentation,” one member of the press corps told POLITICO. “They have some really good people in Boston, but they need to put someone better in place — someone who is not going to scream, ‘kiss my ass.’”

But with 98 days until the election, some reporters said it might be too hard to repair relations. On occasion, Romney has been known to make the occasional trip to the back of the press plane, handing out chips or cookies to reporters. But reporters say such attempts at detente will be harder to make following his European tour.

“You can’t hand out cookies now when there are serious questions to ask, and there are very serious questions to ask that the campaign has refused to answer,” one reporter told POLITICO.

“I don’t think anyone wants cookies anymore,” said another. “This is the rough and tumble now. There are going to be tough questions — the American people want that, the campaign should know that, and they should know that it’s better for them if the answers come out now.”

Madden told POLITICO that the Romney campaign “will continue to work with our traveling press corps to ensure that we maintain an open and well-managed level of access. As the campaign has progressed from the primary to the general and through this summer, we’ve seen interest in travel pick up and more and more reporters covering each and every campaign event. Our task is to work with reporters on a consistent basis to update them on the day-to-day details and happenings of the campaign.

“The press probably won’t be 100 percent happy with the level of access, just like any campaign isn’t 100 percent happy with the way some stories are reported, but the governor respects the press and the job they’re doing and we value the forum the media provides to deliver the governor’s message to voters and the public at large.”

[Dr Strangelove]

If I were Obama I'd be preparing ads centered around Romney's foreign fund-raising.