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Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View PostWho said anything about you?
I said I haven't seen a cow or sheep before.
Amish land is not far from Philly. Doesn't mean I've gone there before.
[/Lame Amish joke by MOBIUS]
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Foreign states? Well, there you go. We've got Mexico right next door...and while I can believe a fair number of Americans have AKs or other automatics, I doubt most of the gun-owning public has anything heavier, let alone knows how to use it effectively.
Originally posted by regexcellent View PostIn any case, the question of whether an insurgency would succeed is not the correct one; that's just throwing in the towel.
Some interesting quotes by the Constitution's and the Second Amendment's authors:
In that context, the Second Amendment actually made sense. Just like the one about quartering troops in houses (in peacetime). Who does that? And who doesn't have a standing army, in peacetime or not? Ours is huge--and we justify keeping it huge by never having any real peacetime anymore. But if we didn't, we'd wind up periodically banding together crowds of raw civilians to pilot multimillion-dollar pieces of equipment. Times change, and the 2nd is an anachronism.
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This is my problem. What is the difference between these two weapons?
Nothing. They're both Mini-14's. They're both semi-automatic and use the same .223 caliber round. One is no more dangerous than the other.
Yet the first one is dandy and the second one was banned. Not understanding that.
There's even a video on youtube of a guy taking off the wood stock and replacing it with a plastic one. Oh noes! Now it's an assault weapon!Last edited by Al B. Sure!; July 24, 2012, 14:35."Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
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Originally posted by Elok View PostForeign states? Well, there you go. We've got Mexico right next door...and while I can believe a fair number of Americans have AKs or other automatics, I doubt most of the gun-owning public has anything heavier, let alone knows how to use it effectively.
The correct question, I think, is, "does the presence or absence of legally owned handheld firearms make a significant difference?" To which I would answer no. In any case, guns could just as readily be used by paramilitaries in favor of the regime as by any resistance.
You'll note that all of those quotes are from sometime around 1790, when a bunch of guys with rifles (and sometimes horses, which lots of people had) were pretty much the pinnacle of land-based military technology. Get enough farmers together with their guns and you're about as good, equipment-wise, as the Redcoats. All that's missing is artillery. There are no airstrikes or air support, no tanks or APCs or drones, no modern communication or logistics technology.
In that context, the Second Amendment actually made sense. Just like the one about quartering troops in houses (in peacetime). Who does that? And who doesn't have a standing army, in peacetime or not? Ours is huge--and we justify keeping it huge by never having any real peacetime anymore. But if we didn't, we'd wind up periodically banding together crowds of raw civilians to pilot multimillion-dollar pieces of equipment. Times change, and the 2nd is an anachronism.
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Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View PostThis is my problem. What is the difference between these two weapons?
They both look ridiculous to be in the hands of a civilian. You don't need a gun like that to hunt deer or threaten your wife."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
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Originally posted by Wiglaf View PostAnd I have no idea how after Iraq anyone in their right mind can conclude guns and bombs can't ward off a modern occupation.
What a ridiculously simplistic view you guys must have.
The only thing really important to take away from your comparison is America and Iraq. And that speaks volumes."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
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Originally posted by Elok View Post... the 2nd is an anachronism.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
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Originally posted by Asher View PostNot sure WTF the point is you think you're making.
They both look ridiculous to be in the hands of a civilian. You don't need a gun like that to hunt deer or threaten your wife.
But not seeing what looks ridiculous about it. With a wooden stock, it looks like any other hunting rifle.
In fact, this is the very first google image hit when you google hunting rifle:
It's bolt action versus semi-automatic. That's the only difference. Oh and the hunting rifle probably fires a bigger round.
What are you talking about?"Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
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.243 or .308
Most snipers use single shot bolt action.Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
"Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead
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Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View PostYou can't hunt deer with those. It's illegal in (probably) every state.
I do not understand America.
What are you talking about?"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
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Originally posted by DinoDoc View PostSo repeal it if you feel your arguements can sway people.
America is America. Crime-ridden, gun-ridden, and cruel -- love it or leave it. I chose the latter and I'm increasingly thankful each day that I did.
America is like that slut in high school that think she's all that just because she got her boobs before all of the other girls. Now she's just worn, loose, and tired."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
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