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  • #46
    Originally posted by Lorizael View Post
    Pregnancy needs to be decoupled from being a woman so that pro-choice people can stop pretending abortion is a women's rights issue.
    How is abortion NOT a women's rights issue?

    Since masturbation is not being open to procreation, what are other people's thoughts on masturbation?
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    • #47
      I think it's terribly, outrageously unfair that men are forced to spend precious seconds disposing of their spooge after they do it. If a fellow can't get back to work promptly after sneaking off to rub one out in the bathroom, how is he supposed to get ahead in the workplace? Our current "clean up after yourself" policies are clearly sexist and designed to give women an advantage over men.
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      • #48
        Originally posted by Elok View Post
        Doesn't matter, really. Suppose you have stage four cancer--every part of your body is riddled with malignant tumors, doctors say it's amazing you're even alive now. You're going to die soon, one way or another. But if I shoot you in the head, legally, I'm still a murderer, no? And no moral system I know of disagrees, unless you more or less ask me to.
        Sure, but shooting a healthy ten year old in the head would be worse.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Elok View Post
          Doesn't matter, really. Suppose you have stage four cancer--every part of your body is riddled with malignant tumors, doctors say it's amazing you're even alive now. You're going to die soon, one way or another. But if I shoot you in the head, legally, I'm still a murderer, no? And no moral system I know of disagrees, unless you more or less ask me to.
          I agree, but consider this. If the vast majority of all pregnancies that end prematurely do so because of -- when you get right down to it -- imperfect medical science, wouldn't it make sense for pro-life people to campaign harder for reducing the odds of miscarriage than reducing the number of abortions?
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          • #50
            Originally posted by MrFun View Post
            How is abortion NOT a women's rights issue?
            Is circumcision a men's rights issue?
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            • #51
              Originally posted by gribbler View Post
              Sure, but shooting a healthy ten year old in the head would be worse.
              Yes, and many of the more enlightened states are changing their laws to reflect this. Here in MD, for example, we now base our homicide sentences on a 2d20 roll using the victim and perps' charisma and a set of actuarial tables. There are still some bugs to iron out--like the way only Whites get a saving throw against the DP, it's a racial trait and we've gotten some complaints about balance--but all in all, it works out okay.
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              • #52
                wouldn't it make sense for pro-life people to campaign harder for reducing the odds of miscarriage than reducing the number of abortions?
                Would it make more sense for Amnesty International to reduce the odds of heart disease over prisoner executions?
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Lorizael View Post
                  I agree, but consider this. If the vast majority of all pregnancies that end prematurely do so because of -- when you get right down to it -- imperfect medical science, wouldn't it make sense for pro-life people to campaign harder for reducing the odds of miscarriage than reducing the number of abortions?
                  How would they go about doing that? And by the same token, I hear swimming pool accidents kill more kids than firearms; shouldn't the gun-control crowd be campaigning against backyard pools instead?
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Elok View Post
                    How would they go about doing that?
                    The same way they do it now: lobbying Congress.

                    And by the same token, I hear swimming pool accidents kill more kids than firearms; shouldn't the gun-control crowd be campaigning against backyard pools instead?
                    Well, yes. What people choose to care about is generally far more influenced by emotion than statistical realities.
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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Lorizael View Post
                      The same way they do it now: lobbying Congress.
                      Yes, but how exactly are we going to prevent women from miscarrying at the point where they don't even know they're pregnant?
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                      • #56
                        I agree, but consider this. If the vast majority of all pregnancies that end prematurely do so because of -- when you get right down to it -- imperfect medical science, wouldn't it make sense for pro-life people to campaign harder for reducing the odds of miscarriage than reducing the number of abortions?
                        Well, yes. What people choose to care about is generally far more influenced by emotion than statistical realities.
                        What would you say the success rate of a campaign to reduce miscarriages through lobbying would be, statistically speaking?

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Elok View Post
                          How would they go about doing that? And by the same token, I hear swimming pool accidents kill more kids than firearms; shouldn't the gun-control crowd be campaigning against backyard pools instead?
                          Obviously the answer is more guns capable of being fired underwater being provided to the marketplace. Problem solved
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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Elok View Post
                            Yes, but how exactly are we going to prevent women from miscarrying at the point where they don't even know they're pregnant?
                            Lobby for more research into reproductive health. Figure out what the risk factors are. Figure out if there are medications that increase or decrease the odds. And outside of what the government can do, pro-life people can spend time and money in support of these goals. Do you spend your (not actually addressing you here) free time standing outside abortion clinics waving signs around and yelling? Why don't you volunteer in the OBGYN ward of a hospital instead. Do you donate your money to pro-life groups? Why don't you donate it to medical research companies instead.
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                            • #59
                              Well, if your religion told you abortion is bad and people must be pressured into not having them then why would you question that approach?

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                              • #60
                                What people choose to care about is generally far more influenced by emotion than statistical realities.
                                There's a difference between miscarriage - which isn't chosen and abortion, which is. Something that is deliberate ought to be the focus for their activities. Do you not see this, Lori?
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