Hello everybody

[Jon Miller]

Who thinks it is about sexual propriety?

JM

[Aeson]

Who thinks it is about sexual propriety?

JM

BK. Anyone who uses it as a moral tale about how homosexuality is wrong.

[Jon Miller]

I mean who besides BK?

JM

[Aeson]

Which brings us back to the question again - why is it ok to rape the daughters but not ok to rape the men? If it's about rape why are the two treated differently?

I already answered this. Women have throughout most of history (and even in many places still today) been treated as lesser beings, not deserving of the same rights as men. Lot's daughters were to be commanded to do whatever he wanted, they were cattle to him. This is what their standing was in that culture. You want to take this ****ed up world view that pretends that it's ok to let your daughters be raped, and base your concepts of sexual propriety on it. That is why your view is so ****ed up... it's foundation is ****ed up.

[Aeson]

I mean who besides BK?

Those who try to use the story of Lot as a moral tale about homosexuality. Surely you've met some?

[Ben Kenobi]

Who thinks it is about sexual propriety?

Aeson. He said that he believed the story concerned rape. Ergo the story concerns sexual propriety.

OT was ambiguous on that point

So it's exempt from Lex Talionis?

[Ben Kenobi]

I already answered this. Women have throughout most of history (and even in many places still today) been treated as lesser beings, not deserving of the same rights as men. You want to take this ****ed up world view that pretends that it's ok to let your daughters be raped, and base your concepts of sexual propriety on it. That is why your view is so ****ed up... it's foundation is ****ed up.

Why does he add, "who have not been with any man?"

You want to take this ****ed up world view that pretends that it's ok to let your daughters be raped, and base your concepts of sexual propriety on it.

Oh, hardly. You're willing to contradict yourself to avoid saying that the bible explicitly teaches that sodomy, (homosexuality), is wrong.

[Jon Miller]

Those who try to use the story of Lot as a moral tale about homosexuality. Surely you've met some?

Not theologians.

JM

[Aeson]

Aeson. He said that he believed the story concerned rape. Ergo the story concerns sexual propriety.

Sexual propriety in regards to homosexuality. It's obviously not a story that concerns itself with rape specifically, as Lot offers his daughters to be raped and that's ok with all you OT freaks.

My own personal opinion of the story is that it's ****ed up because of how it treats rape of women as something perfectly ok. You are a sick piece of **** to not understand this.

So it's exempt from Lex Talionis?

Are you saying you think the punishment for rape should be to be raped?

[dannubis]

Oh, hardly. You're willing to contradict yourself to avoid saying that the bible explicitly teaches that sodomy, (homosexuality), is wrong.

Still waiting for the quote where Jesus himself literally says homosexuality is wrong...

[rah]

Is this the same Lot that laid with both his daughters?

Yes, and still waiting for that literal quote.

[Aeson]

Not theologians.

JM

That is completely irrelevant.

[Ben Kenobi]

Sexual propriety in regards to homosexuality.

Lot's drawing a clear distinction between the men with his daughter and the men with other men.

It's obviously not a story that concerns itself with rape specifically, as Lot offers his daughters to be raped and that's ok with all you OT freaks.

So a story that concerns itself with rape isn't about sexual propriety? I call bull****. I never mentioned rape at all, until you brought it up. So clearly, yes, it is about sexual propriety.

My own personal opinion of the story is that it's ****ed up because of how it treats rape of women as something perfectly ok. You are a sick piece of **** to not understand this.

Then quote me where I say that Lot's actions were righteous.

Are you saying you think the punishment for rape should be to be raped?

You said it's ambiguous. Lex Talionis is clear that if you hurt someone, you will be hurt in return, the same way that you hurt the other person. So, explain. If Lex Talionis says this, how this is at all ambiguous?

[Ben Kenobi]

Still waiting for the quote where Jesus himself literally says homosexuality is wrong

“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’?

[dannubis]

Moron, that says nothing about homosexuality being good or bad.