Will the real Christians like Father Michael Ryan please stand up?

[Aeson]

I also think communism is evil but you won't see me flying to Cuba to take out the Castros. Is that hypocritical?

I see... stealth bomber then?

[Lorizael]

But the only real reason to object to abortion is that it's tantamount to murder, and it's no good trying to pretend it's about something else.

I am generally opposed to abortion, but not because I think it's murder; I believe it's an inefficient use of resources.

[molly bloom]

Infanticide is popular in China btw.

It's hardly 'popular'. You make it sound like an episode of Pop Idol- but perhaps that's the point. The Chinese, eh- not like real human beings who might have pain and anguish reaching such a decision.

Checked out the statistics for spontaneous abortion in nature ? That nasty abortionist God of yours, killing 'innocent' foetuses...

[Jon Miller]

But God has the prerogative to kill people.

JM

[Jon Miller]

And you are right, these babies are not so innocent.

How dare they presume to grow inside of the mother. How dare they take nutrients from her body. How dare they be helpless and unable to feed themselves. How dare they be unable to protect themselves or keep themselves warm and depend on the handouts of others. How dare they rely on others to even clean their ****!

Obviously, for the health of it's citizen, the state should mandate abortions for everyone!

The only reason why the mother wants a child anyways is due to mental instability (hormone changes) or religious brain washing.

JM

[Lorizael]

The ultimate crime of reproduction is that we don't procure the consent of our offspring before creating them.

[Ming]

The only reason why the mother wants a child anyways is due to mental instability (hormone changes) or religious brain washing.

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[Wezil]

...I don't believe it would (unless we had a massive number of people doing it--millions and millions--enough to crush it with concerted action democratically), the point is moot.

You'd think a massive number of people could get motivated to stop baby killing, no? Unless of course it isn't really baby killing...

I don't know about calling people baby-killers; I've tried to back off of the more heated rhetoric as I've aged. But the only real reason to object to abortion is that it's tantamount to murder, and it's no good trying to pretend it's about something else.

I guess murder and killing draws a more visceral response from this atheist than it does from religious folks. Very strange.

[Wezil]

Where did I say that I wouldn't act. I said I would, just in ways that was effective. I am pretty sure I would end up there too, because I wouldn't 'not act' as you keep trying to paint me.

I am comparing acting effectively or ineffectively in Nazi germany versus acting effectively or ineffectively in the abortion-legal USA.

Just as it would be ineffective for me to go up to the local SS/etc office and complain about the Final Solution in Nazi germany, so would it be ineffectual for me to get myself (as I am now (not King/Ghandi/etc), and only myself) thrown in jail in the US.

I don't think you understand anything about civil disobedience. Why/when it works, and why/when it doesn't.

JM

I knew the US government was bad but I wasn't aware they had started up concentration camps.

Your analogy sucks.

[Wezil]

We wouldn't even need millions and millions, Elok. One hundred thousand or so doing a hunger strike, for example, would make a difference.

One hundred thousand religious Americans apparently can't be arsed about baby killing.

[Wezil]

I also think communism is evil but you won't see me flying to Cuba to take out the Castros. Is that hypocritical?

No. Fidel isn't YOUR government.

[giblets]

And you are right, these babies are not so innocent.

How dare they presume to grow inside of the mother. How dare they take nutrients from her body. How dare they be helpless and unable to feed themselves. How dare they be unable to protect themselves or keep themselves warm and depend on the handouts of others. How dare they rely on others to even clean their ****!

Obviously, for the health of it's citizen, the state should mandate abortions for everyone!

The only reason why the mother wants a child anyways is due to mental instability (hormone changes) or religious brain washing.

JM

Not sure how you got from "Fetuses are parasites" to "everyone should be forced to remove them".

[Jon Miller]

I knew the US government was bad but I wasn't aware they had started up concentration camps.

Your analogy sucks.

You lack reasoning ability.

Or are a troll.

I am going with the second.

JM

[Jon Miller]

One hundred thousand religious Americans apparently can't be arsed about baby killing.

100 000 religious Americans who care about baby killing are not organized, or if they are, they are organized in a group which would not condone such a thing.

JM
(As I said, my particular group is maybe 1 million strong, but a significant fraction does not think that baby killing is baby killing.)

[Jon Miller]

Not sure how you got from "Fetuses are parasites" to "everyone should be forced to remove them".

So you missed the part in my second paragraph where everything but the first sentence could apply just as well to a '3 month old' baby as to a '-1 month old' baby?

JM