Black and suspicious . . .

[Al B. Sure!]

The original thread, posted 7 days before this thread:

http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/198822-Why-isn-t-this-murder

[giblets]

The original thread, posted 7 days before this thread:
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/1...-t-this-murder

This may come as a shock to you but not everyone can recall what they posted on an internet forum a week ago.

[Al B. Sure!]

This may come as a shock to you but not everyone can recall what they posted on an internet forum a week ago.

Really? I remember Trayvon Martin's story very well. It's been making the rounds, I've discussed it lengthily just today on facebook, etc.

MrFun is half-assing his social outrage and I called him out on it.

[giblets]

Really? I remember Trayvon Martin's story very well. It's been making the rounds, I've discussed it lengthily just today on facebook, etc.

MrFun is half-assing his social outrage and I called him out on it.

You only discussed it lengthily on Facebook so that people would think you're a good person, I bet.

[Al B. Sure!]

You only discussed it lengthily on Facebook so that people would think you're a good person, I bet.

No. I was disagreeing with people. Disagreeing is not how you win friends.

[giblets]

No. I was disagreeing with people. Disagreeing is not how you win friends.

If you're trying to win friends debating with people on Facebook would make a lot more sense than starting a thread on Apolyton.

[KrazyHorse]

I guess now that you gave your stamp of approval for idiocy, everyone here will lambast me but I don't see what's controversial or wrong about anything I've said.

Are you honestly this clueless?

[Al B. Sure!]

Are you honestly this clueless?

I must be.

[molly bloom]

You ****ed John Amaechi?

No, nor did I f*ck that issue of The Advocate, nor Isaiah Washington. Really, sometimes you're tediously predictable.

Of course there's a crapload of Black gays.

Charming phraseology. I'm sure Freudian analysts would have something to say about it. That and your penchant for taking pictures of yourself semi-naked and posting them in a forum frequented mostly by men....

I'm just referring to the political conflicts between the gay community and Blacks who are majoritarily opposed to gay rights.

The gay community which includes African Americans- so therefore does not exclude the 'black' or African American community- or at least the LGBT part of it.

If you mean by 'Black' community 'some heterosexual African Americans' then just say so.

Meanwhile enjoy this from a reasonably well known African American singer who didn't have her castle rocked by men...

[molly bloom]

British like to eat curry.

A habit they acquired from ruling the Indian sub-continent.

The first Indian restaurant in London was established in the first decade of the 19th Century. But then you state British as if that somehow exluded Brits of Indian origin.... of course some East Africans also like to eat curry, as do quite a few people of Afro-Caribbean origin...

[Wezil]

I have garlic vs curry fights with a neighbour in my building.

He usually wins.

[molly bloom]

I have garlic vs curry fights with a neighbour in my building.

He usually wins.

Doe he use garlic in his curry ? Gujeratis tend not to.

[Wezil]

Geez Molly. Make me look something up first thing on a Sunday morning why don't you.


I'm not even sure he's Indian (or Brit for that matter ) quite frankly. He just has a curry fetish.

[molly bloom]

... because he knows the majority of Blacks don't have his back.

I've never consulted 'the majority' of black gay men in this country, let alone the black community as a whole. Enjoy some more music from the LGBT African American archives:

[Al B. Sure!]

No, nor did I f*ck that issue of The Advocate, nor Isaiah Washington. Really, sometimes you're tediously predictable.



Charming phraseology. I'm sure Freudian analysts would have something to say about it. That and your penchant for taking pictures of yourself semi-naked and posting them in a forum frequented mostly by men....



The gay community which includes African Americans- so therefore does not exclude the 'black' or African American community- or at least the LGBT part of it.

If you mean by 'Black' community 'some heterosexual African Americans' then just say so.

Meanwhile enjoy this from a reasonably well known African American singer who didn't have her castle rocked by men...

How is any of this ****ing relevant?

Go read Horace Griffin's Their Own Receive Them Not: African American Lesbian and Gays in Black Churches. Go read what Michael Eric Dyson has said about this:

One of the reasons I think black people tend to be more homophobic is that our heterosexuality has already been treated as queer by a dominant society. So backpedaled should tap into our symbolic queerness to understand the homophobia that we house is antithetical to our own identity. Because we've been treated like gays in a very serious way so i think that's critical. And then what's interesting is that in hiphop is the same kind of tension as in the black church; homoeroticism up against homophobia. Hate gay people but got your pants down to the butt crack. Can't stand gays but standing up saying you love jesus more than any other person in your family.

From Dyson's essay The Black Church and Sexuality:

One of the most painful scenarios of black church life is repeated Sunday after Sunday with little notice or collective outrage. A black minister will preach a sermon railing against sexual ills, especially homosexuality. At the close of the sermon, a soloist, who everybody knows is gay, will rise to perform a moving number, as the preacher extends an invitation to visitors to join the church. The soloist is,in effect, being asked to sign his theological death sentence. His presence at the end of such a sermon symbolizes a silent endorsement of the preacher's message. Ironically, the presence of his gay christian body at the highest moment of worship also negates the preacher's attempt to censure his presence, to erase his body, to deny his legitimacy as a child of God.

... the black church, an institution that has been at the heart of black emancipation, refuses to unlock the oppressive closet for gays and lesbians. ...Black Christians, who have been despised and oppressed for much of our existence, should be wary of extending that oppression to our lesbian sisters and our gay brothers.

Kelly Brown Douglas (Lesbian pastor, for full disclosure) is quoted in Griffin's work:

Much of black heterosexuals' antihomosexual sentiment exists as a means of countering the perception of black sexuality as perverse in order to survive and gain respectability and acceptance by the majority. Thus, it is understandable that African Americans would approach homosexuality with more dread and disdain than others, often denying a black homosexual presence to avoid being further maligned in a racist society.

With regards to dual identities, poet and activist Pat Parker (Lesbian) wrote in her Movement in Black:

"If I could take all my parts with me when I go somewhere, and not have to say to one of them, 'No, you stay home tonight, you won't be welcome, because I'm going to an all-white party where I can be gay, but not Black.' Or I'm going to a Black poetry reading, and half of the poets are antihomosexual, or thousands of situations where something of what I am cannot come with me. The day all the different parts of me can come along, we would have what I would call a revolution."