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    The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

    Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

    "He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

    Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

    As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.
    Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

    Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

    "What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

    Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

    Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

    "If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.
    "He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

    Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."
    "Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.
    The guy wasn't even charged?
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    I assume charges will be pressed eventually. I think they just want to try to get all the facts first since this is likely to be a PR disaster.
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    • #3
      It should damn well be murder.
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      • #4
        While I'd like to assume it is, we don't have all the facts and with the kid dead, I doubt we'll ever get all of them.
        It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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        • #5
          You give dumbasses guns and a bit of authority and bad things happen. They need a whole lot more training before they let some yahoo start walking the streets with a gun. Personally, I think the guy needs to be charged with manslaughter if not premeditated murder because the kid wasn't doing anything yet the guy shot him. Lock the son of a ***** up and throw away the key.

          This country just has way to many men with tiny dicks who want to whip a gun out for no reason just to compensate for how crappy their life is.
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          • #6
            Oh, and we all know why the white guy called 911 and then shot the black kid, right? The only thing that makes a kid walking on the side walk "suspicious" was that he was black.
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            • #7
              Yep, looks like murder.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by rah View Post
                While I'd like to assume it is, we don't have all the facts and with the kid dead, I doubt we'll ever get all of them.
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                • #9
                  Since I'm not on a jury or required to weigh any evidence, this is murder the guy should serve life if not capital punishment.
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                  • #10
                    I can't think of any extenuating circumstances that would make it not-murder aside from the dead teen packing heat or waving around a machete or whatever
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                    • #11
                      The teen was walking while being black.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by loinburger View Post
                        I can't think of any extenuating circumstances that would make it not-murder ...
                        Seriously? It's a "gated community". Theses things exist to keep the undesirables out. The black kid should have known this and adjusted his behaviour accordingly.

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                        • #13
                          As far as I can understand, the guy's father and stepmother lived in the gated community.

                          It should be noted that the neighborhood watch captain got out of his car to confront the youth.
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                          • #14
                            Stepmothers... nothing but trouble.

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                            • #15
                              Don't forget the Skittles. He could have put someone's eye out.
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