Do you support Rush Limbaugh's proposal?

[MrFun]

Aeson's arrogance will be the death of him.

[DaShi]

Do you have a source for how this would work? All I see is you can claim financial hardship (which as I said, I can't honestly do), go on medicaid, or accept government subsidies.

I don't see what the problem is. There's no financial hardship, so you can certainly pay for health insurance. Or would you rather many others go without affordable healthcare because you don't want to pay for yours?

[Aeson]

I don't see what the problem is. There's no financial hardship, so you can certainly pay for health insurance. Or would you rather many others go without affordable healthcare because you don't want to pay for yours?

I would rather not be forced to pay for health insurance I don't want. I would rather not be fined if I don't.

You're building a false dichotomy where you claim either I have to be fined or other people can't have health care. It's obvious that's not the case, there are countless other possible implementations which don't require such absurdities.

[Aeson]

Of course not. He'll than scream and whine that no one has helped him enough. Don't you see how it works? I'm not sick so I'm upset I have to pay in; opps, I'm sick why hasn't anyone helped me?!

These are the whinnings of a bunch of free loaders who want to ride the bus for free.

You're a moron who talks about issues which you obviously are ignorant of. I am speaking against a healthcare plan under which I would have free healthcare if I wanted to accept the welfare. Yet you claim my statements are based on wanting to ride the bus for free.

Your statements are completely and absurdly idiotic.

[Jon Miller]

People in general are not fine with you getting hit by a truck and left to die because you don't have health insurance.

Well, I don't think you would be either.

JM

[Dinner]

Yes, you will want to ride the bus for free eventually or else you wouldn't be whining like a stuck pig now.

[Aeson]

Yes, you will want to ride the bus for free eventually or else you wouldn't be whining like a stuck pig now.

You're a moron. If I wanted to ride the bus at any point I could under Obamacare. AT ANY POINT IN TIME ALL I WOULD HAVE TO DO IS SAY< SURE MEDICAID MY ASS UP.

[Jon Miller]

By the way, in the only mostly capitalist system that I know of (and there is a socialist system there too, it is just so slow/poor that there are only a range of problems that you would attempt to use it for), South Africa, if you got stabbed and go to the emergency room... they won't treat you until you pay.

I would happily live in the South Africa system over the US system, but the state system is much better. And I think in reality more efficient.

JM
(I will admit that no one has tried a capitalist system with real health insurance yet. This might be better.)

[Dinner]

Sorry. I'm not buying your excuses. You're trying to get out of paying now but we all know you're going to be sucking up resources later. In other words you are a wannabe free rider.

[Aeson]

I would happily live in the South Africa system over the US system, but the state system is much better. And I think in reality more efficient.

Obamacare sucks more than either.

[Jon Miller]

The reason why I support the state approach is because many humans are short sighted about things like health.

For example, someone who doesn't want to pay for health care.

Yet I don't want to see them suffer, due to the lack of health care.

So then i pay for it.

But since I am a voter, I am inclined to make such a person pay for health care.

Note that this is an argument for the statist system. It is entirely independent of the uniquely US aborretion known as health insurance.

JM

[Dinner]

By the way, in the only mostly capitalist system that I know of (and there is a socialist system there too, it is just so slow/poor that there are only a range of problems that you would attempt to use it for), South Africa, if you got stabbed and go to the emergency room... they won't treat you until you pay.

I would happily live in the South Africa system over the US system, but the state system is much better. And I think in reality more efficient.

JM
(I will admit that no one has tried a capitalist system with real health insurance yet. This might be better.)

South Africa has that pay or die system for exactly the same reason the US has an adversion to helping people system. Namely, the fear their money would go to helping someone they don't like especially... *whisper it*... Black people. There is a reason racially homogenous societies who are wealthy tend to pass universal care acts and why societies which are nonhomogenous fail to. Namely, race. When the rich people are racially different from the poor people you have a wedge where one race doesn't want to pay for the other race and so you get things like "pay up front or you die".

BTW I had a white South African friend who told me it was legal to hit a black man in a township and not stop because whites feared stopping in black areas. That meant it was perfectly legal to literally run 100 mph, splat a negro, not stop, and you'd never get charged with anything. Remember what I said about race?

[Jon Miller]

Obamacare sucks more than either.

I agree that obamacare sucks, but that is because of the heath insurance system in the US.

Which exists in part because of the tax system.

Your point of 'not paying' I disagree with. And would put you against the state system too.

JM

[Jon Miller]

BTW I had a white South African friend who told me it was legal to hit a black man in a township and not stop because whites feared stopping in black areas. That meant it was perfectly legal to literally run 100 mph, splat a negro, not stop, and you'd never get charged with anything. Remember what I said about race?

I bet they would get in trouble.

But I also believe the 'not stop' bit.

I was told, by my girlfriend's family, to not stop if the police told me to pull over in certain areas. That I was to instead drive to the police station. It wasn't just because I was white. They would do the same. And my understanding is that an african who wasn't from that area would do the same.

The not stop thing is serious, pretty much everyone knew someone who had been carjacked, or have been carjacked themselves, or has seen someone be carjacked (or in one case, had carjacked others..).

Life is cheap in South Africa. Which is some of the reason why many of the people (especially the poor) won't go to the doctor even if they are dying. Which can be pretty inefficient when something that could be solved by a thousand dollars for treatment when the something occurs/is discovered causes death a few years later (or results in the loss in the ability to work/etc).

JM

[Aeson]

Your point of 'not paying' I disagree with. And would put you against the state system too.

You aren't really understanding my argument. I am not arguing against paying taxes to support a healthcare system. (The less ****ed up it is, the more I would want to do it of course.)

I do have a problem being fined for not accepting welfare from the system, or for not consuming specific products, or for having the "wrong" belief system. The fact that we've come to that horribly convoluted point just means we have a ****ed up system.