Obamacare

[DaShi]

If only they were well informed enough to get insurance without the government conditionally taxing them. Wouldn't you think that the risk of uterine cancer or some other life-threatening medical ailment would be sufficient?

See, I don't see why taxpayers (or insurers) should have to foot the bill unconditionally for people's health when they themselves don't seem to care that much about it.

Do you understand how insurance works?

[regexcellent]

Are you implying that that post is inconsistent with a coherent understanding of how insurance works? It isn't, just for the record.

[DaShi]

Actually, it is. But I don't bother with you.

[giblets]

If only they were well informed enough to get insurance without the government conditionally taxing them. Wouldn't you think that the risk of uterine cancer or some other life-threatening medical ailment would be sufficient?

See, I don't see why taxpayers (or insurers) should have to foot the bill unconditionally for people's health when they themselves don't seem to care that much about it.

Yeah, she doesn't really care if her uterus is full of tumors does she? I mean it doesn't seem like she cares.

[Jon Miller]

I dont' think HC has ever experienced living where one does not have the choice of paying for health insurance.

JM

[regexcellent]

You're deliberately missing his point. If a man were to be hospitalized due to serious injury sustained during a car accident in which he was not wearing his seat belt, one might reasonably conclude that he didn't care about his safety despite his presumed concern for his life stemming from being hospitalized.

(referencing gribbler's post)

[Hauldren Collider]

I dont' think HC has ever experienced living where one does not have the choice of paying for health insurance.

JM

This has nothing to do with anything. I don't assume something is a good idea because it tickles the sob story part of my brain. Why don't we discuss this on terms other than a contest to see who's endured the most "hardship" in the US, Canada or Europe?

[giblets]

Which part of your brain decided that the woman didn't care too much if she had tumors in her uterus?

[Jon Miller]

They care about it. They don't have a choice.

You don't seem to understand this.

Because you are born to a wealthy family.

JM

[Jon Miller]

Which part of your brain decided that the woman didn't care too much if she had tumors in her uterus?

It is based on her 'deciding' not to pay for health insurance.

He doesn't realize some are not able to pay for health insurance.

JM

[Hauldren Collider]

Which part of your brain decided that the woman didn't care too much if she had tumors in her uterus?

You're deliberately missing his point. If a man were to be hospitalized due to serious injury sustained during a car accident in which he was not wearing his seat belt, one might reasonably conclude that he didn't care about his safety despite his presumed concern for his life stemming from being hospitalized.

(referencing gribbler's post)

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[Hauldren Collider]

It is based on her 'deciding' not to pay for health insurance.

He doesn't realize some are not able to pay for health insurance.

JM

Not in this case--she tried to get insurance after the fact. Then she complains that they wouldn't dole out free cash for a chronic condition she already had.

People who can't afford health insurance supposedly get medicaid. For those ineligible for medicaid, ObamaCare isn't going to help, as it forces rates up.

[Jon Miller]

People who can't afford health insurance supposedly get medicaid.

This isn't really the case.

JM

[Jon Miller]

Health insurance is so expensive in the US (with so few options) that if people were "responsible" as you put it, they wouldn't take incomes above 130% (or whatever it is) of the poverty level until they were up above 250% or so.

Health insurance costs ~13k per year.

Poverty level is ~14k per year (more for a family of 3).

Without benefits, and including taxation + some an additional factor due to the higher income, it would be better to be poverty level than make ~30k per year without benefits.

A lot of people make less than 30k a year without benefits.

Yes, if you are going to die it suddenly becomes worth everything, even the food you have. But you shouldn't argue that she should be paying ~50% of her income on the off chance that she gets a life threatening illness. That would stop her from improving her life, as well as enjoying fruits of her labor.

JM

[Elok]

You're deliberately missing his point. If a man were to be hospitalized due to serious injury sustained during a car accident in which he was not wearing his seat belt, one might reasonably conclude that he didn't care about his safety despite his presumed concern for his life stemming from being hospitalized.

(referencing gribbler's post)

If only this lady had been sensible and worn her Cancer Treatment Belt (which, of course, comes free with employment, just like a seatbelt comes with a car), she wouldn't be in this predicament. Lazy, lazy woman...