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This is one of my favorite songs. I honestly can not fathom how someone, whether they like it or not, can not accept that this has value:
The poetry of it is obvious. If you truly have an English background, you should be able to understand these lines and recognize the puns and metaphor. I can explain them if you can't. I'll just * the slang or possibly obscure references. Here's some lines:
"So much on my mind that I can't recline
Blastin holes in the night til she bled sunshine"
"Taking them plungers*, plungin to death that's painted by the numbers
With Krylon* applied pressure"
*reference to Abner Louima, "who was assaulted, brutalized and forcibly sodomized with the handle of a bathroom plunger by New York City police officers after being arrested outside a Brooklyn nightclub in 1997."
*Krylon is a common brand of spraypaint.
"We played against each other like puppets, swearin you got pull*
When the only pull you got is the wool over your eyes"
*pull is slang like power/control over things.
"Look in the skies for God, what you see besides the smog
Is broken dreams flying away on the wings of the obscene"
"For trees to grow in Brooklyn*, seeds need to be planted
I'm asking if y'all feel me AND THE CROWD LEFT ME STRANDED"
*Reference to Betty Smith's 1943 novel, "A Tree Grows in Brooklyn""Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
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*reference to Abner Louima, "who was assaulted, brutalized and forcibly sodomized with the handle of a bathroom plunger by New York City police officers after being arrested outside a Brooklyn nightclub in 1997."
as for the "song", meh
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Originally posted by gribbler View Postsodomized with a plunger?
as for the "song", meh
And what is a song to you? What is the definition? Struggling to understand how that's not a song."Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
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Originally posted by Main_Brain View PostI did nazi that coming."Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
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1. The verses you posted, and what I could make out of the "song," are extremely clunky and forced. Like the transition from "pull" to "pulling wool over the eyes," who thinks that sounds clever? It doesn't sound like wordplay so much as free association, like the guy's just saying tangentially related stuff off the top of his head. I did that while I was still high after having my wisdom teeth removed; am I eligible for a Grammy?
2. "Song" is in quotes because that composition, like most if not all rap compositions, is notably lacking in both melody and actual singing. It's a repetitive background beat with some dude talking over it in a vaguely aggressive tone of voice. Also waving his arms like a spastic referee. But in any case, no melody, no singing? Not a song.
3. You owe me that 1:26 of my life back. I imagine the remaining 3:14 is the same blasted thing, just with different barely-intelligible lyrics which, when deciphered, turn out to be bad. Or to be obscure references to old abuses by police.
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Originally posted by Elok View Post2. "Song" is in quotes because that composition, like most if not all rap compositions, is notably lacking in both melody and actual singing. It's a repetitive background beat with some dude talking over it in a vaguely aggressive tone of voice. Also waving his arms like a spastic referee. But in any case, no melody, no singing? Not a song.
What about this? Not 'music' either?
"Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
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Define 'singing'. I want to know clearly what 'singing' is and isn't. What makes some types of human vocalizations different than others? Is a howl or scream singing or something else? What is the line between talking and singing? What if the talking has rhythm, a musical aspect? Are chants singing or talking?
I don't think you can clearly define singing."Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
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Originally posted by Elok View Post2. "Song" is in quotes because that composition, like most if not all rap compositions, is notably lacking in both melody and actual singing. It's a repetitive background beat with some dude talking over it in a vaguely aggressive tone of voice. Also waving his arms like a spastic referee. But in any case, no melody, no singing? Not a song.
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Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View PostI don't think you can clearly define singing.
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Rock and punk was revolutionary music that had high influence on society - rap on the other side seems to be borne by some Abba'esque disco fashion. Strange that it seems to have got same credit as rock/punk.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven Weinberg
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Originally posted by Elok View PostI can't put clear lines about it, no, but I can pretty confidently exclude talking in a normal tone of voice with the only departure from conversational English coming from a tedious, aggravatingly jerky rhythm.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven Weinberg
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