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[giblets]

How the **** is it 2012 and rap isn't accepted as a legitimate art form? Rapper's Delight came out 33 freaking years ago! You truly are a close-minded troglodyte. Not saying you need to like it but you need to come to the acceptance that it is valid and has aesthetic value.

WTF is Rapper's Delight? Also, how can something have aesthetic value if it sucks?

[Elok]

Allan Ginsberg came out, in both senses, more than fifty years ago. Therefore, we must believe his work had aesthetic value. Especially the one about masturbating in the guy's Jeep.

Ditto modern "performance art."

[Al B. Sure!]

WTF is Rapper's Delight?

"Rapper's Delight" is a 1979 single by American hip hop trio The Sugarhill Gang. While it was not the first single to feature rapping, it is generally considered to be the song that first popularized hip hop in the United States and around the world

"Now what you hear is not a test, I'm rapping to the beat"

[Elok]

Also, at Al "your interests suck, you should get interests that don't suck" B. Sure calling me close-minded.

[Al B. Sure!]

Allan Ginsberg came out, in both senses, more than fifty years ago. Therefore, we must believe his work had aesthetic value. Especially the one about masturbating in the guy's Jeep.

Ditto modern "performance art."

I wasn't aware Allan Ginsberg was as popular or culturally pervasive as hip hop.

[Al B. Sure!]

Also, at Al "your interests suck, you should get interests that don't suck" B. Sure calling me close-minded.

I already said it's not about liking. It's about acceptance as having value. I think heavy metal is terrible but I recognize it has aesthetic value to some people.

You have a problem accepting that rap as a genre has value.

YOU are the close-minded one.

[giblets]

"Now what you hear is not a test, I'm rapping to the beat"

That was incredibly boring.

[Elok]

I already said it's not about liking. It's about acceptance as having value. I think heavy metal is terrible but I recognize it has aesthetic value to some people.

You have a problem accepting that rap as a genre has value.

YOU are the close-minded one.

So...I need to acknowledge that a lot of people like rap? Okay, they do. Just like a lot of people like Justin Bieber. Terrible taste in both cases.

[giblets]

I already said it's not about liking. It's about acceptance as having value. I think heavy metal is terrible but I recognize it has aesthetic value to some people.

You have a problem accepting that rap as a genre has value.

YOU are the close-minded one.

You haven't given a single reason why anyone should believe that aesthetic value is some sort of objective quality that you can recognize in something you don't like. I personally am not going to pretend to have respect for someone who thinks that six minute borefest you posted is exciting.

[Al B. Sure!]

That was incredibly boring.

The song is actually 15 minutes long.

From a Boston globe article regarding probably what you find 'boring':

In forgoing a chorus, “Rapper’s Delight” contradicted a popular-music trope dating back to the 1840s, when E. P. Christy’s eponymous minstrels first brought their act to New York, playing continuously for nearly a decade. Christy’s Minstrels weren’t the first group of white performers to don blackface and offer a theatrical caricature of African-American culture, but they were the most famous. They also, along the way, introduced the pop-music chorus....

... While the minstrel show itself finally became an anachronism, anticipation-building verses followed by catchy choruses persisted through style after style, from Tin Pan Alley to rock and roll, Broadway to barbershop, doo-wop to disco (“Good Times,” the musical foundation of “Rapper’s Delight,” fits the pattern perfectly). It is, after all, undeniably gratifying when a full-out chorus returns to once again shift its song into a higher gear, right on schedule. But it also made the success of “Rapper’s Delight” all the more unexpected....

... But “Rapper’s Delight” offers one of the few exceptions, rolling along on self-renewing hip-hop boasts, not needing the deliverance of a chorus, its goodwill like that of a casual party, linear and cumulative. Like the balladic verses of the blues, or the improvisatory excursions of long-form jazz, the song is less interested in how loud it can rev its engine than in how long it can keep it running. It just wants to, in one of the song’s only repeated lines, bang the boogie to the boogie.

Obviously, it didn't end the 'pop-chorus hegemony' and 'rap soon came around to its addictive power' but interesting to think about nonetheless if you're interested in the art and history of music.

[giblets]

Seriously? They are hardly the first people to write a song with no chorus so what's your point?

[Elok]

I suggest you try the Twilight series, Alby. Not only is it wildly popular, and therefore possessed of great Aesthetic Value, the books are designed to appeal to neurotic sexophobes.

[Al B. Sure!]

Seriously? They are hardly the first people to write a song with no chorus so what's your point?

They introduced a nascent genre to the world while being one of the very few songs as of their time to not have a chorus. How significant is this? Their popularization of rap and hip hop was clearly far more significant but the structure, the lack of a build, the scarcity of 'architecture' is compelling:

Sure, Wonder Mike spins a variation on his opening scat about a third of the way through the record’s 15-minute span, but musically, the only form in evidence is a repeated 16-bar loop lifted from Chic’s number-one hit “Good Times” - eight bars of Bernard Edwards’ bass, eight bars of funky rhythm guitar and piano, over and over and over again. No separation into verse and chorus, no buildup to the release of a collective sing-along.

Pop music had produced the occasional chorus-less song - Jimi Hendrix’s blues-based “Purple Haze,” for example, or through-composed tableaux like Roy Orbison’s “In Dreams.” But “Rapper’s Delight,” spooling out over the simple machine of its backing track, was something else: fluid dynamics instead of architecture.

[giblets]

Not very significant. If rap really has the enormous "aesthetic value" you claim it has then someone was going to introduce it to the world sooner or later, right? And the "song" (if you can call it a song) sucks.

[Al B. Sure!]

Not very significant. If rap really has the enormous "aesthetic value" you claim it has then someone was going to introduce it to the world sooner or later, right? And the "song" (if you can call it a song) sucks.

I don't understand what your second sentence means.

What is the definition of 'song' to you and how does Rapper's Delight not fit that definition? I'm struggling to see what basis can someone have that that is not a 'song'.