Thread for people to explain how immigrants take jobs

[Aeson]

Unlike the rest of you lot, I am unwilling to increase my pay in a way that is obviously destructive to the common good.

How about your consumption, *****? You know full well that the majority of your earnings would do more good being spent by the very poor than it would being spent by you. But you go drink alcohol and let babies die around the world.

[Kidlicious]

If you were unionized you'ld be all for them. There's nothing inherently wrong with unions.

[Dinner]

I'm now convinced KH is deliberately trying to **** this thread up just to burying the evidence of him being wrong earlier.

[KrazyHorse]

yeah nice try, but you said that teachers, nurses and police officers benefit at the expense of everyone else. i'm pointing out that people's preferences would be to pay those people more. so it would appear that union's efforts to raise the pay of those groups are line with what people want.

If they were in line with what people want then they would bid up the price of the services of those people. Policing is a public good, but none of the others are. Revealed preferences are different than claimed preferences. This is a fundamental lesson of human behavior.

redistribution of wealth is a political question. in order for any redistribution to happen it is necessary to have a political environment conducive to that end. that means strong unions and social democratic political parties. if you look at countries which actually redistribute wealth you will find both of these elements. the colleration is no accident.

I understand: first the upper classes need to expropriate the lower orders, then they will magnanimously grant the peons more.

[Aeson]

No, you see my description of why, when you take the discussion in toto, you can see that your objection makes no sense.

I'm not part of all your discussions idiot. I addressed specific statements we made. Pretending there's some wider meaning to it all that makes your ignorant statements less incorrect is just another absurdity on your part.

[KrazyHorse]

"She will probably need to be certified by the Educational Commission for Foriegn Medical Graduates (ECFMG), which involves passing Step I, II, and III of the USMLE exam. Most states require at least one year of supervised residency training by a program accredited by the Accreditation Council of Graduate Medical Education (ACGME) as the bare mininum for licensure. She would also probably need to be board certified in order to practice in a specialized field such as ENT."

Theoretically I think the only 'strenuous' part of this is the supervised residency training. It seems to be 1 year and not the 3-8 that is the US usual.

I actually know of people who go to foreign countries to study to be doctors (because it takes less time and is cheaper) and then return to the US to become certified and practice medicine.

An MD I think is 4+3 in the US and is a straight 5 years in the UK. Especially considering the expense of the last 3, I think this is a much bigger issue than certification.

JM

I agree that it is fortunate that we have outlets like importing foreign doctors. It doesn't mean that the overall effect isn't to restrict supply. Borders, distance and language form their own barriers to entry, and people crossing them can only go part way to rectifying the damage done by the domestic regulation.

[Pax]

Being a Police Officer is something that I always wanted to do...When I first retired from the military, I interviewed for a lot of jobs that I found boring. The jobs that I took, I also found to be boring. I have always believed in service to my community and I wanted to do something that would be interesting, exciting and give something back to my community. My worry was that I was too old. But one day, I just said **** it, I'm going to go out and try. I did great on the written tests and when I took the physical tests I often surpassed people younger than myself. The last issue and possible deal breaker was the pay. The police pay combined with my retirement pay allow me to live in a standard that is close to what I enjoyed as a Naval Officer so I am not complaining about the pay and I enjoy my job.

[KrazyHorse]

Wait. I thought he liked cops cause they pepper spray hippies.

If you will stretch your mind back 8 weeks, I think you'll recall that I defended the hippies' rights to access public thoroughfares against what I claimed was the inappropriate behavior of police officers in restricting the area around the NYSE building. I also think that pepper spray and tasers are often deployed too casually by cops.

[Aeson]

That sounds very admirable Pax

[KrazyHorse]

I'm not part of all your discussions

Yet the piece of the discussion I'm referring to came from the same post which I originally quoted

I'm not asking that you be part of all my discussions, merely the ones that you attempt to inject yourself into.

[Kidlicious]

Being a Police Officer is something that I always wanted to do...When I first retired from the military, I interviewed for a lot of jobs that I found boring. The jobs that I took, I also found to be boring. I have always believed in service to my community and I wanted to do something that would be interesting, exciting and give something back to my community. My worry was that I was too old. But one day, I just said **** it, I'm going to go out and try. I did great on the written tests and when I took the physical tests I often surpassed people younger than myself. The last issue and possible deal breaker was the pay. The police pay combined with my retirement pay allow me to live in a standard that is close to what I enjoyed as a Naval Officer so I am not complaining about the pay and I enjoy my job.

[C0ckney]

If they were in line with what people want then they would bid up the price of the services of those people. Policing is a public good, but none of the others are. Revealed preferences are different than claimed preferences. This is a fundamental lesson of human behavior.

this might be true for buying a tv, but the pay of public sector employees is not the same. people can only influence such things very indirectly, so their preferences are unlikely to be clearly expressed. if you ask people directly, you get a much clearer idea of their preferences.

I understand first the upper classes need to expropriate the lower orders, then they will magnanimously grant the peons more.

either you don't understand what i've said here, or you've found an inventive way to concede the point.

[Pax]

I must also add that at this very moment I am considering going back to school for either film or law school.

[Aeson]

Yet the piece of the discussion I'm referring to came from the same post which I originally quoted

I'm not asking that you be part of all my discussions, merely the ones that you attempt to inject yourself into.

Well let's go back to that first thing I quoted that you've ducked 3 times now shall we...

"Then find another job, you whiny *****. Nobody's forcing you to take 25 bucks an hour to run the risks you do. Your revealed preferences are to value your life at less than 25 dollars an hour."

This is plainly wrong. You can't come to the conclusion about his valuation of his life with the information you have. You're just talking out of your ass. (And misrepresenting what he's actually said.)

[KrazyHorse]

How about your consumption, *****? You know full well that the majority of your earnings would do more good being spent by the very poor than it would being spent by you. But you go drink alcohol and let babies die around the world.

You should probably sit down and breathe a little; I didn't claim that I was a utility maximizer, merely that I was unwilling to to actively destroy utility. Further, as I do not choose to consume in the form of untaxable items (like the enjoyment of ****ing off to the phillippines to become vice-president of a marriage cult or sitting around unemployed or working on academic problems of no interest or worth to anybody else) I provide a huge amount of utility to others through taxation.