How famous are Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi in the USA?

[Asher]

Treason!!!

[Tupac Shakur]

under God.

How's that any more objectionable than "God keep our land"?

[Hauldren Collider]

How is it more objectionable than having a queen who is apparently appointed by god?

[Tupac Shakur]

I don't need your help.

[DinoDoc]

Further, a quick google shows that only some states permit the parent exemption.

Liar. Non-voluntary pledges are illegal according to Federal case law.

While school officials may encourage students to show respect for our country, they may not require mandatory displays of patriotism. Students have the constitutional right to remain seated and silently respectful during the Pledge of Allegiance, and cannot be otherwise compelled to salute the flag. Students who choose not to recite the Pledge of Allegiance may do so without parental consent. Formal discipline, including detentions and suspensions, cannot be imposed for non-participation, nor can other types of non-disciplinary penalties such as reducing grades, requiring transfers to different classrooms, or withholding letters of recommendations.

[Asher]

How's that any more objectionable than "God keep our land"?

No one is forced to sing the anthem -- but I agree that the anthem needs to be updated to remove antiquated references to fictitious beings.

[Kidlicious]

Asher, don't you think christian americans are more patriotic than athiest americans? Serious answer please.

[Hauldren Collider]

Oh god. I want to say this is a new low for Kidicious, but it's probably not...

[Tupac Shakur]

No one is forced to sing the anthem -- but I agree that the anthem needs to be updated to remove antiquated references to fictitious beings.

You might want to get your own house in order before you start critiquing others.

[Asher]

Liar. Non-voluntary pledges are illegal according to Federal case law.

Read one of the half dozen citations in this thread. ****, a couple weeks ago the GOP in Michigan were passing a law that apparently directly contradicts the "federal case law" you so helpfully cited without quotations or links.

[Asher]

Asher, don't you think christian americans are more patriotic than athiest americans? Serious answer please.

Yes. I think people who are Christian are far more likely to be nationalist. This is because they're mentally weaker and more likely to defer to a greater good/power.

[Asher]

You might want to get your own house in order before you start critiquing others.

The Conservatives tried to reform it in 2010, making it gender neutral and secular, but their Christian base revolted. Until the Christians die out or somehow get brighter, it may have to stick around for a while.

FWIW, the Canadian anthem predates the Pledge of Allegiance so it does have more history.

[DinoDoc]

Read one of the half dozen citations in this thread. ****, a couple weeks ago the GOP in Michigan were passing a law that apparently directly contradicts the "federal case law" you so helpfully cited without quotations or links.

From your own post, you ****:

The Supreme Court ruled in 1943 that forcing students to cite the pledge was unconstitutional unless parents were given the opportunity to have the final say on whether their child participates.

“If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein,” Justice Robert Jackson wrote for the majority.

“We think the action of the local authorities in compelling the flag salute and pledge transcends constitutional limitations on their power and invades the sphere of intellect and spirit which it is the purpose of the First Amendment to our Constitution to reserve from all official control.”

West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624, 642 (1943)

[Kidlicious]

Yes. I think people who are Christian are far more likely to be nationalist. This is because they're mentally weaker and more likely to defer to a greater good/power.

Then why in psychology today do the parents say they are just as patriotic as christians?

[Asher]

From your own post, you ****:
West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624, 642 (1943)

Sure, I will.

A judge ruled the 1942 Florida law requiring students to recite the pledge was unconstitutional, but an appeals court disagreed, and the U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear the case.

There's been a litany of lawsuits & laws passed in various states well passed the 1943 case you cite. I'm no US legal scholar, but to me that implies that you are a liar in countering my argument that it varies by state.