Greatest Sect of Christianity

[Kidlicious]

This has been explained to you many times, so your accusations of "lying" are again an attempt to deflect the question. I have asked you many times if you would specifically tell your minister that you believe that the bible is god and that you worship the bible. You have said "yes" in a sense (you have reserved the right to not actually ask this of your minister, but to instead quote scripture to your minister without asking him whether these quotes meant that the bible is god). If you are brave then you will confirm your beliefs with your minister; if you are a coward then you will stay firm in your beliefs without ever actually confirming them with somebody who is smarter or more advanced in the faith than you.

I'm not saying that it wouldn't be brave. It would be brave to jump off a cliff.

[Elok]

why would I ask him to answer something that is so obvious?

The entire purpose of this proposal is to establish that it is "obvious" to ANYONE other than yourself.

Look at it this way: Suppose I said that the line "many are called, but few are chosen" meant that Jesus is Pikachu from Pokemon. You would call me out on this, I suppose, and after many questions back-and-forth you would tell me to ask my priest whether he agreed. To which, suppose I answer, "okay, I'll ask him 'do you agree that many are called, but few are chosen?'" You answer, "No, of course he'll agree with that, ask him if it means that Jesus is an electric rodent-monster from a Japanese cartoon like you said." To which I reply, "why would I ask him something so obvious?"

Okay, my example is a little exaggerated, but I hope you see my point. We're not contesting that a particular verse is in scripture, we're contesting that said verse means something you say it means but which is, to pretty much everyone else's way of thinking, really outlandish.

[Kidlicious]

Are you complaining that I enumerated multiple lies when you asked for only one? You are remarkably stupid. Select any of the lies I enumerated and you'll have your single lie.

So not even 1 real lie?

[Elok]

Imran, JM, any other Christians: care to discuss another point of doctrine? I think the discussion with Kid might be over.

[Kidlicious]

The entire purpose of this proposal is to establish that it is "obvious" to ANYONE other than yourself.

Look at it this way: Suppose I said that the line "many are called, but few are chosen" meant that Jesus is Pikachu from Pokemon. You would call me out on this, I suppose, and after many questions back-and-forth you would tell me to ask my priest whether he agreed. To which, suppose I answer, "okay, I'll ask him 'do you agree that many are called, but few are chosen?'" You answer, "No, of course he'll agree with that, ask him if it means that Jesus is an electric rodent-monster from a Japanese cartoon like you said." To which I reply, "why would I ask him something so obvious?"

Okay, my example is a little exaggerated, but I hope you see my point. We're not contesting that a particular verse is in scripture, we're contesting that said verse means something you say it means but which is, to pretty much everyone else's way of thinking, really outlandish.

Maybe it's time to just let it go.

[SlowwHand]

That time has come and gone.

[loinburger]

So not even 1 real lie?

[To Elok]
Imran's problem is that he didn't have any point except he asked if I thought a Bible is on the horse. The answer is of course no. My point is that prophets speak the actual word of God, evident by the results. Contrast this with your theory that the prophets told lies.

Elok never said that the prophets told lies. Your accusation that he said this is an example of your lying. You will not find a single post in this thread in which he states this.

[Kidlicious]

I guess Loinbugger won't say what's worse lying or slaving. Gee, I wonder why?

[loinburger]

I guess Loinbugger won't say what's worse lying or slaving. Gee, I wonder why?

Is this the question I "promised" to answer?

3. Shut the **** up

What does this question have to do with your belief that the bible is god? What does my supposed inability to answer this question have to do with your belief that the bible is god?

[loinburger]

Actually, if that's the question you've been dancing around, I really ought to answer it. Slavery is officially worse than lying [in general - there may be rare instances in which a lie would be more malicious than slavery]. Now, please explain what (if anything) this has to do with your cowardly inability to tell your minister about your worship of the bible.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Imran, JM, any other Christians: care to discuss another point of doctrine? I think the discussion with Kid might be over.

Filoque clause! No, just kidding - no one cares about that anymore (its questionable if they really did back then either).

Um... how about the concept of Heaven? The conception of a nice cloud land you go to after you die (if you were righteous) vs. a concept of a soul sleep, when the wake up will occur when Christ comes again, and a New Heaven and New Earth arise again. I think, and this is welcome, that a lot of evangelicals are turning away from the primary and going to the secondary - but I may get that impression because I mostly read stuff from the emergent church. What's the Orthodox view?

[Al B. Sure!]

Eid Mubarak, Imran. Eid Mubarak.

[SlowwHand]

I think Heaven is an individual experience where you spend eternity with those people and pets and whatever that made you the happiest on Earth.
I have a Baptist minister friend that says that we'll all just be the same with and to everyone. That my daughter and I, for instance, will have no special bond.
I reject the notion.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Eid Mubarak, Imran. Eid Mubarak.

Do you have me confused with Obama? I ain't no secret Mooslim

[Dinner]

You have to admit Obama must be a genius at hiding his secret Muslim identity. I mean any man who is willing to go to a Christian church for 40 years because he's plotting to run for President in the distant future has an aptitude for long term planning. Even more far sighted was how his parents ran his birth announcement in the local paper as part of the secret plot to sneak in a foreign born, secret Muslim, terrorist sleeper agent into the White House. I mean we're talking plots with in plots all with a 40-50 year advanced time frame because who in the early 60's wouldn't have believed a half black kid born to a poor woman on welfare wouldn't naturally become the President?

Yet something like 40% of Republicans still believe this conspiracy nonsense right up to this day. Morons all.