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    For many people, believing in God comes down to a gut feeling that a benevolent deity is out there. A study now finds that gut feelings may be very important in determining who goes to church every Sunday and who avoids the pews.

    People who are generally more intuitive in the way they think and make decisions are more likely to believe in God than those who ruminate over their choices, the researchers found. The findings suggest that basic differences in thinking style can influence religious belief.

    "Some say we believe in God because our intuitions about how and why things happen lead us to see a divine purpose behind ordinary events that don't have obvious human causes," study researcher Amitai Shenhav of Harvard University said in a statement. "This led us to ask whether the strength of an individual's beliefs is influenced by how much they trust their natural intuitions versus stopping to reflect on those first instincts."

    Shenhav and his colleagues investigated that question in a series of studies. In the first, 882 American adults answered online surveys about their belief in God. Next, the participants took a three-question math test with questions such as, "A bat and a ball cost $1.10 in total. The bat costs $1 more than the ball. How much does the ball cost?"

    The intuitive answer to that question is 10 cents, since most people's first impulse is to knock $1 off the total. But people who use "reflective" reasoning to question their first impulse are more likely to get the correct answer: 5 cents.

    Sure enough, people who went with their intuition on the math test were found to be one-and-a-half times more likely to believe in God than those who got all the answers right. The results held even when taking factors such as education and income into account.

    In a second study, 373 participants were told to write a paragraph about either successfully using their intuition or successfully reasoning their way to an answer. Those who wrote about the intuitive experience were more likely to say they were convinced of God's existence after the experiment, suggesting that triggering intuitive thinking boosts belief.

    The researchers plan to investigate how genes and education influence thinking styles, but they're quick to note that neither intuition nor reflection is inherently superior.

    "It's not that one way is better than the other," study researcher David Rand of Harvard said in a statement. "Intuitions are important and reflection is important, and you want some balance of the two. Where you are on that spectrum affects how you come out in terms of belief in God."


    Who is really surprised?
    "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
    "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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    I'm not really surprised. I think there have already been studies finding religious people are dumber on average.

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    • #3
      I wonder if liberals are better at math than conservatives. I wouldn't be surprised.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by gribbler View Post
        I wonder if liberals are better at math than conservatives. I wouldn't be surprised.
        It depends what kind of 'conservative' we are talking about. The conservative umbrella includes a lot of retards and hicks. Wall Street Republicans do not fit in your appraisal.
        "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
        "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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        • #5
          Are you a "Wall Street Republican"?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by gribbler View Post
            Are you a "Wall Street Republican"?
            I'm making a statement of one 'stereotypically'-characterized group represented in the Republican umbrella.
            "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
            "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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            • #7
              First thing I found on Google:
              Young adults who subjectively identify themselves as "very liberal" have an average IQ of 106 during adolescence while those who identify themselves as "very conservative" have an average IQ of 95 during adolescence.
              http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0224132655.htm

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              • #8
                Why don't we just say religious people are dumb - it would save so much time...
                Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by gribbler View Post
                  And if we got rid of the religious liberals, it would be higher still...
                  Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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                  • #10
                    Wow, the fact that Albert is posting this makes me so happy that I'm not a religionista. Oh wait...
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                    • #11
                      Second thing I found on Google:
                      Nevertheless, liberals are on to something when they question the IQ not of the conservative politicians themselves, but of some of the voters they represent. A certain bloc of the conservative electorate may very well be less intelligent than its liberal counterpart. Lazar Stankov, a visiting professor at Singapore’s National Institute of Education, published “Conservatism and Cognitive Ability” earlier this year in the peer-reviewed journal Intelligence. Here is a quote from the article’s abstract:

                      Conservatism and cognitive ability are negatively correlated … At the individual level of analysis, conservatism scores correlate negatively with SAT, vocabulary, and analogy test scores. At the national level of analysis, conservatism scores correlate negatively with measures of education … and performance on mathematics and reading assessments.

                      Provocative, yes. But two important caveats are needed. First, by “conservatism” Stankov does not necessarily mean people who favor free market economics. He has in mind a kind of traditionalism probably best described as social conservatism:

                      The Conservative syndrome describes a person who attaches particular importance to the respect of tradition, humility, devoutness and moderation; as well as to obedience, self-discipline and politeness, social order, family, and national security; and has a sense of belonging to and a pride in a group with which he or she identifies. A Conservative person also subscribes to conventional religious beliefs and accepts the mystical, including paranormal, experiences.
                      http://www.american.com/archive/2009...-conservatives

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                      • #12
                        One of the most intelligent and articulate posters on poly, imo, is a theist, and I have a lot of respect for him. Speaking as an atheist, I'm a little tired of theist-bashing for the sake of it, even if at times I'm prepared to argue passionately against godism.
                        Last edited by Cort Haus; September 22, 2011, 20:17. Reason: typo fixed

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
                          It depends what kind of 'conservative' we are talking about. The conservative umbrella includes a lot of retards and hicks. Wall Street Republicans do not fit in your appraisal.
                          Are Wall Street Republicans those who weren't good enough at math to become accountants, so they chose the finance option?
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                            The level of mathematical knowledge required for accountancy is minimal. Basic arithmetic at most.
                            "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                            "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Cort Haus View Post
                              One of the most intelligent and articulate posters on poly, imo, is a theist, and I have a lot of respect for him. Speaking as an atheist, I'm a little tired of theist-basing for the sake of it, even if at times I'm prepared to argue passionately against godism.
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