A Bible question!!

[Pax]

My understanding is that any form of contraception is a sin. from condom to abortion.

[Nikolai]

I do believe I have a right to voice my opinion on how society should be modeled, also in this case. Then it is up to democracy to decide if I "win" the argument. But I reserve my right to believe in absolutes. Wrong is wrong, even when we don't all agree.

And I did check out the trailer. It seems like a decent B movie.

[Nikolai]

My understanding is that any form of contraception is a sin. from condom to abortion.

Ben would probably think condoms are that, I don't.

[BlackCat]

I do believe I have a right to voice my opinion on how society should be modeled, also in this case. Then it is up to democracy to decide if I "win" the argument. But I reserve my right to believe in absolutes. Wrong is wrong, even when we don't all agree.

Sure, you have that right, and I won't deny you that, but please don't try to climb the moral high ground due to that (well, you don't, but BK has a tendency to do that).

And I did check out the trailer. It seems like a decent B movie.

Yeah, it's a bit of a crappy B movie, but it actually pisses me a bit off due to it's religious parts. Somehow I'm sure that your toes would curl a bit

[Nikolai]

I won't climb any moral high ground if I can help it. I sin and I am no better than anyone else. That's what Christians are; sinful men and women who have found that God has a rescue plan. I'm saved by his grace, and I love him for that. But I am not a better man because of it.

[BlackCat]

I won't climb any moral high ground if I can help it. I sin and I am no better than anyone else. That's what Christians are; sinful men and women who have found that God has a rescue plan. I'm saved by his grace, and I love him for that. But I am not a better man because of it.

Nikolai, I hate you and your ilk - you make sense and come up with reasonable arguments. It's much easier to handle nutcases like BK.

[Nikolai]

I know, I'm a bad boy.

[Boris Godunov]

So why is abortion wrong, but it was A-OK for Jepthah to kill his daughter to please God?

[Nikolai]

I won't pretend I know.

[Boris Godunov]

I won't pretend I know.

Cop out.

[Nikolai]

On second thought I will say this though: No where in the Bible text does it say that Jefta had God's blessing for sacrifising his daughter, AFAIR. He made a promise, God didn't respond as far as I remember. He came home, his daughter somehow thought it okay and he sacrificed her. But nowhere is God taken into the matter, no one asks if this is okay for him.

But I don't know if that is the right take on it. I'm not God, and I'm not a theologian. I'm not sure one of them neccessarily would know for sure either.

[Nikolai]

Cop out.

Honesty.

[Boris Godunov]

On second thought I will say this though: No where in the Bible text does it say that Jefta had God's blessing for sacrifising his daughter, AFAIR. He made a promise, God didn't respond as far as I remember. He came home, his daughter somehow thought it okay and he sacrificed her. But nowhere is God taken into the matter, no one asks if this is okay for him.

But I don't know if that is the right take on it. I'm not God, and I'm not a theologian. I'm not sure one of them neccessarily would know for sure either.

Then why is it in the Bible at all? If God wasn't involved, what's the message? The depiction doesn't paint Jepthah as evil or wrong, it depicts him as a righteous hero.

And "his daughter somehow thought it okay and he sacrificed her." --so suicide is OK then? Why else would you use this as an argument?

And God commands the Israelites to slaughter the babies of other nations. They dash the babies against rocks. How does that jive?

[Boris Godunov]

Anyone with an iota of moral clarity would see the Old Testament depiction of God as monstrously evil. It amuses me to see people try and defend it.

[BlackCat]

God also have no problem with human sacrifices, so why should abortion be a problem ?