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  • #61

    Israel would have to do something really nutty and aggressive to get Turkey to go to war.
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    • #62
      Originally posted by onodera View Post
      If it declares war, I think so. The Americans control its southern sea route, though.
      The US Navy is so ****ing absolutely massive compared to just about every other navy in the world (even if you group several other nation's navies together) there is no way any nation or coalition of nation's navies can challenge them on the open seas. I don't care where in the world you place the conflict, if it's on water, the US Navy will simply dominate. That said, Turkey isn't going to do anything as it's officially an Israeli ally and it is constrained by it's desire to remain in NATO as well as it's desire to join the EU. Oh, and let us not forget Turks look down on Arabs in disdain thinking of them as backward religious fanatics and ignorant country bumpkins. Yes, it's a cultural bias with racist under tones but it's a very real one which color's Turkey's policy towards Arab states.
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      • #63


        How is Israel losing against Hamas? The only thing they haven't done yet is completely wipe them out...

        And Turkey blockade Israel? They'd have to be insane.

        Onodera, what on earth makes you believe that Israel couldn't simply curb stomp any one of their neighbors? They did it to Lebanon just a couple years ago.
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        • #64

          Turkey is not doing **** all that NATO does not want it to.
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          • #65
            Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
            Onodera, what on earth makes you believe that Israel couldn't simply curb stomp any one of their neighbors? They did it to Lebanon just a couple years ago.
            1) Lebanon doesn't have a military to speak of.
            2) Are you proud of that? Israel has been conducting brazen violations of international law in Lebanon, the only neighbor of Israel which is a democracy, since 1958. The government and military of Lebanon have shown no hostility to Israel.
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            • #66
              Originally posted by notyoueither View Post
              Turkey is not doing **** all that NATO does not want it to.
              You know, I had said that Israel would have to do something crazy to get Turkey to go to war with it but the more I think about it... what would really be crazy enough that Israel hasn't done already? Everything they've done to Lebanon should have gotten more international scorn but it didn't. If they treated Egypt like Lebanon by invading the Sinai and bombing Cairo, would that do it?

              Or would they have to use nuclear weapons on something to piss the world off?
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              • #67
                Israel is a weak country that happens to be in an area that is politically very valuable for the USA. It's the only reason they're still there. The pride Israelis and those in America who worship them have is truly misplaced.

                Because they live where they live, the US showers them with money and protects them while they rampage over defenseless neighbours and civilians and pretend they're the baddest badasses to ever be stupid enough to live in the Middle East by choice.
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                • #68
                  The Egyptians are up in arms after an Egyptian army officer, two soldiers, and 3 policemen were apparently killed by the IDF
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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post




                    Onodera, what on earth makes you believe that Israel couldn't simply curb stomp any one of their neighbors? They did it to Lebanon just a couple years ago.
                    AFAIK, general consensus is that the IDF did poorly in the last war with Lebanon. It didn't actually lose, but it was a failure nonetheless.
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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Traianvs View Post
                      AFAIK, general consensus is that the IDF did poorly in the last war with Lebanon. It didn't actually lose, but it was a failure nonetheless.
                      War with Lebanon?

                      I'm sorry but a war is a bilateral conflict. Show me where Lebanese Armed Forces fought the IDF.

                      That was not a war. Israel and Lebanon have not been at war in the normal sense of their militaries shooting each other... that takes two. It's more like Israel just invades, shells, bombs, and slaughters civilians.
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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Traianvs View Post
                        AFAIK, general consensus is that the IDF did poorly in the last war with Lebanon. It didn't actually lose, but it was a failure nonetheless.
                        As I recall, Lebanese rocket attacks have largely stopped. Seems like a success to me. They only failed to wipe out Hezbollah, but they succeeded in seriously weakening it.

                        And Alby, Hezbollah basically runs southern Lebanon. Don't be a dufus.
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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
                          The Egyptians are up in arms after an Egyptian army officer, two soldiers, and 3 policemen were apparently killed by the IDF
                          Yes, and they are returning their ambassador, and demanding an apology for "Israel failing to protect it's borders" after a platoon sized formation made an attack from their soil.

                          Well, hardly surprising considering the fact that they have been aching to return the ambassador for some pretense since Mubarak left. Whatever.
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                          • #73
                            Why'd they kill uniformed Egyptian military?
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                            • #74
                              I don't think there is full data yet, I certainly don't, but we KNOW that:

                              -The terrorists were dressed as soldiers (not sure what military uniform).
                              -The terrorists were numerous, ( several squads ~ Platoon-sized formation )
                              -The terrorists were combining light arms fire with heavier weapons support (Weapons section - mortars, RPGs, etc.).
                              -The terrorists were attacking from the Egyptian side.
                              -The cooperation was much poorer than before as relations between the two sides was soured.

                              I also have heard that the attack came from a direction of an Egyptian post, but I have not heard any supporting evidence, so I am inclined to disregard this.

                              I guess the lack of coordination, lack of joint maneuvering, lack of trust with the people on the other side of the border ( With the situation in Sinai after the regime change ) and the expectation of heavy hostile presence at the location, has (I am guessing) led to much more permissive rules of engagement.

                              ( You must understand that Egyptian military presence is usually very very light on the border with Israel).
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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
                                Why'd they kill uniformed Egyptian military?
                                Why'd they kill unarmed protesters?
                                Why'd they kill all of those people on that boat a while ago?

                                Here's your answer:
                                Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                                Okay, it really doesn't matter what anyone but the US thinks of Israel. I know that's something you despise and complain about constantly, but it's a fact. As long as the US is behind Israel, they can do whatever they want, and that's exactly what they do.
                                And this is precisely why Israel is ****ed long-term.

                                Every time they do this, people like Az & HC come in with all kinds of scenarios of why it could've happened. It's all bull****. It always is. It happens because there's never any consequences for Israel for shooting whoever they damn well please.

                                I seem to recall they even shot at an American ship some time ago... so maybe it's not just "who the **** cares" -- maybe it's time we admit Israel is grossly and dangerously inept. Not just in political posturing (as well all know), but also in that they don't know how the **** to use the weapons they have in a responsible way.
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