Canada: Dangerous case study in the perils of same-sex marriage

[Ben Kenobi]

OH and Ben--m there is contraception that places no physical barrier between you and a woman-- you did know that right !!!!

With unfortunate consequences for the women with long term oral contraceptive use.

[Asher]

A logical reasonable position, and one that will likely happen. The legal result will equate marriage with roommates, and cohabitation would be the only requirement. Are you really sure this is a positive direction? It's also a fundamental change that is a necessary predicate of gay marriage.

Why does it matter to you if your neighbours have sex?

Marriage is about a partnership in life, not ****ing. ****ing is just fun.

[Ben Kenobi]

Marriage is about a partnership in life, not ****ing. ****ing is just fun.

I think marriage and sex is an important part of marriage. You disagree. This is why sex is relevant. This is why it's relevant for boys and girls marrying as men and women.

Whatever gender a person believes in his head, man, woman or Ziggy, is irrelevant to the issue.

[Asher]

I think marriage and sex is an important part of marriage. You disagree. This is why sex is relevant. This is why it's relevant for boys and girls marrying as men and women.

Whatever gender a person believes in his head, man, woman or Ziggy, is irrelevant to the issue.

How many times have you been married?
How many times have you had sex?

[Ben Kenobi]

here is where you completely go haywire. If sex is only contraceptionless P in V (probably for the purpose of making a baby)

If I'm arguing that sex is necessary for marriage in both procreation and for pleasure and that the union has aspects of both, I think it should be fair to understand that there's no distinction made. I'm against contraception because I believe it impairs the pleasure of the man and the woman together, and I'm for the union because I believe that it is pleasureable for men and women. Since I've not had the experience myself, my experience with those who have engaged in these things confirms my opinions. You can tell what they prefer and what they enjoy by what they choose to do, on the whole.

It's not just for procreation and not just for pleasure, but both together. This is why, fr'instance that the church opposes contraception and IVF. Two sides of the same coin.

[Ben Kenobi]

How many times have you been married?
How many times have you had sex?

I've never been to Paris but I have an idea as to what the eiffel tower looks like.

[Asher]

I've never been to Paris but I have an idea as to what the eiffel tower looks like.

Yeah, that's a completely fair analogy.

It clearly demonstrates you know not of what you speak.

If we had your way, sterile people could be forbidden from being married, as will anyone who is handicapped or even has a severe case of ED. Perhaps we should have yearly government tests where people have sex in front of a bureaucrat to renew their marriage license.

Would that make you happy, Big Government Ben?

[giblets]

I've never been to Paris but I have an idea as to what the eiffel tower looks like.

So you're basically just repeating what other people told you about marriage? Did these people happen to be celibate men in dresses?

[giblets]

Once the technologies for homosexual procreation become available, I'm sure Ben will be okay with gay marriage.

[Asher]

What if gay men adopted all of those unwanted children that making abortion illegal would put into the system?

Would you be okay with gay marriage then, Ben?

Or would you rather children grow up in overcrowded, underfunded government orphanages?

[Ben Kenobi]

If we had your way, sterile people could be forbidden from being married, as will anyone who is handicapped or even has a severe case of ED. Perhaps we should have yearly government tests where people have sex in front of a bureaucrat to renew their marriage license.

Sterile? No. Someone who was unable to consummate his marriage is another legal question already. It's already permissible for anyone to dissolve a marriage for lack of consummation, even for these examples. Handicapped people are not exempt, although presumably it's an issue usually brought up and dealt with beforehand.

[Asher]

Sterile? No. Someone who was unable to consummate his marriage is another legal question already. It's already permissible for anyone to dissolve a marriage for lack of consummation, even for these examples. Handicapped people are not exempt, although presumably it's an issue usually brought up and dealt with beforehand.

So, to be clear, paralyzed people cannot be married, according to you. Nor can anyone who has severe ED.

[Ben Kenobi]

Once the technologies for homosexual procreation become available, I'm sure Ben will be okay with gay marriage.

It's called surrogacy, and let me check. Hmm, the church is against that too. Interesting that. Care for me to get into the arguments as to why?

[Asher]

It's called surrogacy, and let me check. Hmm, the church is against that too. Interesting that. Care for me to get into the arguments as to why?

Because it's icky and the church would lose half of its priests.

[giblets]

It's called surrogacy, and let me check. Hmm, the church is against that too. Interesting that. Care for me to get into the arguments as to why?

No, surrogacy does not allow two women or two men to procreate. I don't care what your religious leaders think about it either. That has zero relevance to whether gay marriage should be legalized.