Vatican says gays are undeserving of basic human rights.

[Felch]

I think a cow is a cow and a human being is a human being. Human rights are for humans, and if that seems inconsistent to you, then call me a hypocrite.

[Asher]

I think a cow is a cow and a human being is a human being. Human rights are for humans, and if that seems inconsistent to you, then call me a hypocrite.

A fetus is not yet a human being. A fetus is biologically defined as a mammal in development, but not yet a mammal.

[Ben Kenobi]

Thanks for the clarification, doc, I did not know that.

Doe V. Bolton says 3rd trimester ones are ok too, if done for health reasons and extended the health provision to include mental health.

[Asher]

The difference is that a cow will never become a person.

If it's potential to become a person you are concerned with, I am pleased to know you never masturbate or use contraception. That would mean countless potential persons have been prevented.

[Ben Kenobi]

A fetus is not yet a human being. A fetus is biologically defined as a mammal in development, but not yet a mammal.

Actually a fetus is categorised by it's species. Fetal pig, Fetal human, etc. Calling it not yet human makes no sense because we can tell what a human embryo and a human fetus looks like.

Fetus just refers to an age category, like teenager or infant or toddler.

[Al B. Sure!]

I don't have any particular desire to defend vegans, but I think a cow is probably smarter than a month-old fetus.

But is an egg? Is milk? I distinguished vegan over vegetarianism for a reason.


The refusal to eat an unfertilized chicken egg while accepting the pro-choice position is laughable. Of course, what you do personally does not always coincide with what you wish to impose on others. A vegan who aborts though is all out of whack.

[Asher]

Actually a fetus is categorised by it's species. Fetal pig, Fetal human, etc. Calling it not yet human makes not sense because we can tell what a human embryo and a human fetus looks like.

I'm really not concerned with what arts graduates think makes sense scientifically.

[giblets]

The difference is that a cow will never become a person. Cows are probably smarter than a month old baby and no one seems to be advocating for infanticide despite that being the obvious logical conclusion of many pro-abortion advocates such as Barbara Boxer.

I thought we were talking about vegans? They seem to think it's wrong to kill and eat anything more sentient than a plant. Is a month-old fetus more sentient than a vegetable?

[Asher]

A fetus is an organism that is biologically part of the woman until it breaches. True or false?

[Hauldren Collider]

I thought we were talking about vegans? They seem to think it's wrong to kill and eat anything more sentient than a plant. Is a month-old fetus more sentient than a vegetable?

Oh yeah, vegans are dumb, I agree with that.

[Ben Kenobi]

I'm really not concerned with what arts graduates think makes sense scientifically.

You should be because your facts are wrong. Fetus refers to a stage of development. We can tell the difference between a fetal pig and a fetal human.

Appeals to authority aren't enough, Asher.

[DaShi]

I thought we were talking about vegans? They seem to think it's wrong to kill and eat anything more sentient than a plant. Is a month-old fetus more sentient than a vegetable?

Where'd you learn that? Vegan Academy?

[Asher]

You should be because your facts are wrong. Fetus refers to a stage of development.

Yes, the pre-human being part. Sperm is part of the development process, too.

Appeals to authority aren't enough, Asher.

I've philosophically and practically explained my support for early term abortions. If you are incapable of reading that, chalk it up to another failure of yours.

[giblets]

But is an egg? Is milk? I distinguished vegan over vegetarianism for a reason.


The refusal to eat an unfertilized chicken egg while accepting the pro-choice position is laughable. Of course, what you do personally does not always coincide with what you wish to impose on others. A vegan who aborts though is all out of whack.

Their refusal to eat unfertilized eggs would probably have more to do with not wanting chickens kept in captivity. But this is just speculation on my part.

[Asher]

The point is, no matter how you try to justify banning it, it comes down to personal opinion more than anything else. Not everyone agrees. This is why legislating it wholesale is flat out wrong. You can do what you want with your body, stop trying to tell other people how to use theirs.

Feel free to advocate it, but that makes you part of big government in some of the most invasive ways imaginable. You are all terrible conservatives.