Vatican says gays are undeserving of basic human rights.

[Ben Kenobi]

I was not aware that Nambla was complicit in covering up rape. Or if they are complicit in doing so, then their behavior is several orders of magnitude less severe than that of the Catholic church.

Of course, because they aren't the Catholic church. You don't think that an organization that endorses it is worse than an organization that rejects it altogether?

Historically, how many altar girls have there been relative to the number of altar boys?

We would expect if the ratio were balanced to see about a 95 to 5 ratio in favour of girls. Instead it's the other way. Why is that? Is it because they are homosexual? Seems pretty clear to me.

How many female orphanages are run by male clergy?

How many male orphanages, Not many.

Priests attacked young girls as well as young boys, but the opportunities to attack boys far outnumbered the opportunities to attack girls.

They have plenty of opportunities. And certainly not a 20 or 50 to 1 ratio.

You already know this, of course, you're just once again dishonestly equating homosexuals with pedophiles while at the same time excusing the Catholic church's complicity in decades if not centuries of rape.

They aren't complicit, except where the homosexual bishop shields his homosexual priests. It's pretty much the same indiviudals involved with the majority of the cases. We'll see upwards of 100s of boys abused by one man.

Most of the bishops are gone now, except for one oir two, and they are close to retirement age. There were 7 cases of abuse in the past year. You're 10x more likely to be abused by your public school teacher than by a priest.

[Ben Kenobi]

The Vatican simply made the statement about being opposed to violence against gays to cover their asses.

Then their whole statement saying that marriage isn't a natural right is just made up.

It couldn't be because the Church actually believes that violence against anyone is wrong?

[Ming]

He didn't say murder, he said killing. That's not an opinion at all, it's fundamental to the debate. Accept certain facts, like the fact that a fetus is alive, that is it human, that it is a distinct organism, and that abortion is killing it. Until you accept those facts you'll come across as a loon.

Many people have used the term murder... granted he didn't use that word in that specific post, but feel free to search the rest of the thread and see how many times the word murder has been used.
The loons here are the minority that want to cram their religious beliefs down other peoples throats... There is a big difference between a two week old fetus and REAL babies, old people and the mentally ill... but continue with the straw man arguments... they just make you look even more moronic.

[loinburger]

Of course, because they aren't the Catholic church. You don't think that an organization that endorses it is worse than an organization that rejects it altogether?

One organization wants to have the law changed, while the other organization is actively complicit in mass rape. NAMBLA is an immoral organization, but they haven't caused a fraction as much harm as the Catholic Church.

[Jon Miller]

I don't think that Felch and I have been talking about two week old fetus's, as my memory is that brain activity doesn't start until the 4th or 8th week (I actually forget, probably is 8th).

JM

[Felch]

I'm not trying to cram a religious belief down anybody's throat. If people don't believe in transubstantiation, that's their business. I don't want the government involved in religion or vice versa. My concern is the government protecting human rights. If you think that anything I've said is a straw man, specify.

[Ming]

Yep... I want the government protecting human rights as well... like the rights of women. Or do they not count in your book...

[dannubis]

So the first step is killing the very old and the babies... and the mentally ill.

JM

If your trying to Godwin this discussioin you have to make it explicit. Otherwise: no points for your lame attempt.

[Ben Kenobi]

One organization wants to have the law changed, while the other organization is actively complicit in mass rape. NAMBLA is an immoral organization, but they haven't caused a fraction as much harm as the Catholic Church.

One organization condones, the other condemns. Why are you condemning those who condemn, and condone those who condone? It's not even close.

[Asher]

One organization condones, the other condemns. Why are you condemning those who condemn, and condone those who condone? It's not even close.

They're both evil organizations. But I assure you, Catholic Clergy have molested more boys than NAMBLA members ever will. And the Church "condemns" it, but only superficially. The Church did just reassign clergy accused of child molestation, so they could do it again and again to different children in different cities.

[Ben Kenobi]

And the Church "condemns" it, but only superficially. The Church did just reassign clergy accused of child molestation, so they could do it again and again to different children in different cities.

This time next year, all of the bishops that were involved will be gone. Since then there hasn't been any significant molestation, and hasn't been for the last 30 years.

Numbers are pretty clear, if you want your kids to be safe today, they are better off with a priest than a public school teacher.

[dannubis]

Not only deaf and stupid but blind as well.

[Asher]

This time next year, all of the bishops that were involved will be gone.

And it only took years of intense public (secular) publicity and a ridiculously harmed public image. They resisted doing anything about it for many, many years.

Since then there hasn't been any significant molestation, and hasn't been for the last 30 years.

Please describe what "insignificant molestation" is. Is that a Catholic euphemism for a forced handjob?

Numbers are pretty clear, if you want your kids to be safe today, they are better off with a priest than a public school teacher.

Oh cool, you have the clear numbers available. Please do cite them.

[Ben Kenobi]

And it only took years of intense public (secular) publicity and a ridiculously harmed public image. They resisted doing anything about it for many, many years.

The public scrutiny has protected those responsible and given them platforms, especially in the media, while attacking those relentlessly who were fixing the problem.

Please describe what "insignificant molestation" is. Is that a Catholic euphemism for a forced handjob?

7 cases of sexual abuse over 150k priests in the past year?

Numbers are pretty clear, if you want your kids to be safe today, they are better off with a priest than a public school teacher.

http://www2.ed.gov/rschstat/research/pubs/misconductreview/report.pdf

“Isn’t it news that the number of public school students who have been abused by a school employee is more than 100 times greater than the number of minors who have been abused by priests?” he asked.

[Asher]

The public scrutiny has protected those responsible and given them platforms, especially in the media, while attacking those relentlessly who were fixing the problem.

Can you please identify, specifically, which pedophile priest was protected by the limelight and which pedophile priest was fixing the problem?

7 cases of sexual abuse over 150k priests in the past year?

What is your source? When does it become "significant"? And why do you assume everyone reports it -- only a minority of cases are ever reported. Those that are reported are usually done decades after the fact.

http://www2.ed.gov/rschstat/research/pubs/misconductreview/report.pdf

“Isn’t it news that the number of public school students who have been abused by a school employee is more than 100 times greater than the number of minors who have been abused by priests?” he asked.

This phrase does not exist in the document. And is notable for not having any real numbers at all.