Could the United States afoord to NOT have medicare/medicaid?

[giblets]

This is why we need the splits for everybody. Right now all of us are wrong!

Presumably you have them handy because you're the one who brought it up in the first place. You wouldn't have made the claim that "statistically, white Americans live longer than white Canadians" if you didn't have any statistics to back this up, right? That just smacks of dishonest sleight-of-hand.

[Ben Kenobi]

That using a single factor like life expectancy (especially a single ethnicity) to prove who's healthcare delivery system is best when the are probably 100s of factors involved, is just plain stupid. Of course I should not be surprised.

BTW, I'm not the one who claimed this. That was Imran.

[giblets]

That using a single factor like life expectancy (especially a single ethnicity) to prove who's healthcare delivery system is best when the are probably 100s of factors involved, is just plain stupid. Of course I should not be surprised.

I'm guessing he only thinks that if it supports his claim that America has a better healthcare system. Once he concedes that Canadians have a higher life expectancy, he'll start stressing the importance of lifestyles and how life expectancy doesn't prove anything.

[Ben Kenobi]

Presumably you have them handy because you're the one who brought it up in the first place. You wouldn't have made the claim that "statistically, white Americans live longer than white Canadians" if you didn't have any statistics to back this up, right? That just smacks of dishonest sleight-of-hand.

Imran brought up life expectancy. I challenged his assertion. I don't rank health care based on life expectancy, especially since most of it is infant mortality.

[rah]

BTW, I'm not the one who claimed this. That was Imran.

It would seem you did also.

If it's true that hispanic americans are doing better than hispanic canadians, then that is confirmation that their system is superior.

[Ben Kenobi]

I'm guessing he only thinks that if it supports his claim that America has a better healthcare system. Once he concedes that Canadians have a higher life expectancy, he'll start stressing the importance of lifestyles and how life expectancy doesn't prove anything.

No, that would be what the ABC article says. Which, btw, you quoted to support your beliefs. I haven't cited or quoted anything.

[notyoueither]

Does Canada collect that information? If they can't tell us how long hispanics in Canada live then we can't make that comparison. However we do have sufficient information to conclude that your claim that white Americans live longer than white Canadians is false.

Nobody reports it that I've found. Aboriginals are broken out as they have poorer results in many areas generally and that is a group policy makers are concerned about the wellbeing/welfare of.

There are ~200,000 people in Canada described as Latin American.

[giblets]

Imran brought up life expectancy. I challenged his assertion. I don't rank health care based on life expectancy, especially since most of it is infant mortality.

You made the following claim:

Are you gaging 'better than average outcomes' from the studies claiming that Canadians live longer?

Statistically, white Americans live longer than white Canadians. Correct for other variables and Canada's system does a worse job.

Which was factually untrue. I never claimed life expectancy was a highly accurate measure of the effectiveness of a healthcare system. Just admit you lied.

[Ben Kenobi]

If it's true that hispanic americans are doing better than hispanic canadians, then that is confirmation that their system is superior.

Are you suggesting that that's not the point that Gribbler, NYE and Imran were asserting that because Canada has higher life expectancy that Canada's system is better?

When provided with NYE's stats, which stat did I look for? Longevity (average years past 65).

[giblets]

No, that would be what the ABC article says. Which, btw, you quoted to support your beliefs. I haven't cited or quoted anything.

The ABC article never said anything about whether life expectancy is a good measure of the quality of healthcare. Did you even read it? Also, I was citing it to support a claim that hispanics have a higher life expectancy. I never argued that life expectancy is a highly accurate way to measure the quality of a healthcare system.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Imran brought up life expectancy.

I did?

[rah]

No Ben, I'm suggesting that you posted it so it must be your opinion. DOH

What part of

Originally Posted by Ben Kenobi

did you miss.

Is your memory that feeble or do you just not bother paying attention to what you post since you plan on forgetting about it in future arguments.

[giblets]

Are you suggesting that that's not the point that Gribbler, NYE and Imran were asserting that because Canada has higher life expectancy that Canada's system is better?

When provided with NYE's stats, which stat did I look for? Longevity (average years past 65).

I never made that argument, imbecile. I was correcting a factual inaccuracy on your part.

[Ben Kenobi]

Which was factually untrue. I never claimed life expectancy was a highly accurate measure of the effectiveness of a healthcare system. Just admit you lied.

Your side just conceded that the number's aren't available. Ergo, it's impossible to prove that this is factually untrue.

[giblets]

Your side just conceded that the number's aren't available. Ergo, it's impossible to prove that this is factually untrue.

Only if you think it's possible that visible minorities in Canada have a life expectancy of over 90 years. Otherwise it's obvious that whites in Canada live longer than whites in the US. And making a statistical claim that you now say you can't even prove doesn't make you look good. Why would you cite statistics that don't even exist?