Could the United States afoord to NOT have medicare/medicaid?

[KrazyHorse]

BTW Imran, there is an apropos saying for the chart you posted (and the associated wailing and gnashing of teeth): If something cannot go on forever, it will stop.

[KrazyHorse]

Just to make things clear for Alby, those last two (edit: three) posts are examples of sarcasm.

Technically, irony.

[Egbert]

Just to make things clear for Alby, those last two (edit: three) posts are examples of sarcasm.

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

[Kuciwalker]

BTW Imran, there is an apropos saying for the chart you posted (and the associated wailing and gnashing of teeth): If something cannot go on forever, it will stop.

Precisely...

[KrazyHorse]

Doesn't mean that there isn't a problem, nor that it isn't pressing.

Reducing the government induced distortions in the health care market in the US (primarily from the tax system and ridiculous credentialing requirements) tops the list for policy no-brainers, followed in short order by removing any remaining trade restrictions and closing tax expenditures.

[notyoueither]

You could just as easily conclude men vs women. Different pools have different risk factors. You have to take into account all factors.

It seems you were wrong about LE for whites in the US compared to Canada anyway.

For 2007 male Canadians LE was 78.3, female was 83.

According to gribbler's link, for 2007 US white male was 75.9 and female was 80.8

Link to OECD data.
http://www.oecd.org/document/16/0,3343,en_2649_34631_2085200_1_1_1_1,00.html

Try another arguement, and then find someone willing to argue it with you.

Agreed. Canada's system is terrible and I am saddened to see so many Americans wanting what they've not got, but not appreciating that they've got it better.

Apparently more effective and less expensive than the US system, on the whole. However, that is not a ringing endorsement of the Canadian system given what else is available in developed countries.

As opposed to Canada's system which is doing the same?

Nice colour sky on your planet.

[KrazyHorse]

I see no real evidence for any test of effectiveness mentioned in this thread.

[MRT144]

I just can't believe that Republicans wouldn't give an inch in taxes to gain a yard in terms of spending.

[Kuciwalker]

Doesn't mean that there isn't a problem, nor that it isn't pressing.

Reducing the government induced distortions in the health care market in the US (primarily from the tax system and ridiculous credentialing requirements) tops the list for policy no-brainers, followed in short order by removing any remaining trade restrictions and closing tax expenditures.

Ending the drug war and opening up immigration (granted the latter may fall under trade restrictions) are competitive for those slots.

[notyoueither]

I see no real evidence for any test of effectiveness mentioned in this thread.

Infant mortality is not a good metric of a nation's health system?

[notyoueither]

I can see male LE not being great.

[KrazyHorse]

Ending the drug war and opening up immigration (granted the latter may fall under trade restrictions) are competitive for those slots.

Two giants in the room I forgot...

[KrazyHorse]

Infant mortality is not a good metric of a nation's health system?

Without removing the effects of age and socioeconomic status of mother? Not particularly.

[KrazyHorse]

There are any number of statistics demonstrating better outcomes after onset of disease in the us, btw. Those aren't particularly good metrics of the effectiveness of the us health system either...

[notyoueither]

Without removing the effects of age and socioeconomic status of mother? Not particularly.

There are any number of statistics demonstrating better outcomes after onset of disease in the us, btw. Those aren't particularly good metrics of the effectiveness of the us health system either...

Do any statistics exist that meet your criteria for being real evidence?