Leaving Afghanistan

[Pax]

I'm probably one of the least statist people here. I believe the feds should stick to the enumerated powers in the constitution. One of which is the defense of the nation, not Afghanistan and Libya. I believe the Church should have a larger role in society, but not because of legislation to that effect, but because they fill a need that can't be met otherwise. Let the Church sink and swim with everyone else, and see how it works.

As for the Vatican, technically it is a nation that is sovereign. That of Rome. You can't argue national sovereignty and then argue that the Vatican should not exist.

The power of the church in the US is already more than the founding fathers wanted. Pastors already overstep their spiritual bounds and delve into politics. And what is this need that you speak of? And why you even say they fill a need without naming it?

[Pax]

I'm probably one of the least statist people here. I believe the feds should stick to the enumerated powers in the constitution. One of which is the defense of the nation, not Afghanistan and Libya. I believe the Church should have a larger role in society, but not because of legislation to that effect, but because they fill a need that can't be met otherwise. Let the Church sink and swim with everyone else, and see how it works.

As for the Vatican, technically it is a nation that is sovereign. That of Rome. You can't argue national sovereignty and then argue that the Vatican should not exist.

The Vatican is a direct descendant of an empire. So if you believe in imperialism that used religion to win the hearts and minds and kill those that were not won over then of course it should still exist.

[Ben Kenobi]

God damn it, how delusional do you have to be to consider yourself one of the least "statist" people around here when you think divorce should be illegal?

Which is why I said divorce was wrong? There's a difference between wrong and illegal.

[Ben Kenobi]

The Vatican is a direct descendant of an empire. So if you believe in imperialism that used religion to win the hearts and minds and kill those that were not won over then of course it should still exist.

Imperialism that doesn't force me to pay taxes and doesn't enslave me to the state? Sounds great.

[Pax]

Vatican current income comes from tourism and peters pence(donations), however, the vatican(Roman Catholicism) was born in blood, slavery and subjugation of the masses around the globe.

[Al B. Sure!]

Imperialism that doesn't force me to pay taxes and doesn't enslave me to the state? Sounds great.

Thank the Protestant Reformation for that one.

[Berzerker]

Vatican current income comes from tourism and peters pence(donations), however, the vatican(Roman Catholicism) was born in blood, slavery and subjugation of the masses around the globe.

kinda why I stopped being a Catholic long ago

[dannubis]

Vatican current income comes from tourism and peters pence(donations), however, the vatican(Roman Catholicism) was born in blood, slavery and subjugation of the masses around the globe.

The fact that these child ****ers don't pay taxes helps a lot as well.