Leaving Afghanistan

[C0ckney]

I know. It gets a bit tiresome saying "I told you so" all the time...

and you were one of the biggest cheerleaders here for the operation in libya, when myself and others were saying it would turn into a stalemate. which of course it now has.

there's plenty of 'i told you so to go around'.

[MOBIUS]

Libya is doing better than expected, as far as I'm concerned. IIRC I was the one saying it would become a stalemate before anyone else, which is why it was the right course of action IMO.

So yes, I told you so...

[SlowwHand]

Mobius, you're the biggest dickhead on planet Earth.

[MOBIUS]

Considering you've been wrong about everything else, it's nice to see you're not changing the habits of a lifetime.

Still, just as well you live in Tejas so you can surround yourself with lots of other ignorant losers so you can feel better about all your own failings...

[rah]

Only because they're counting the Indian Wars from 1775-1918 which is retarded.

Good spot. I didn't look at it that critically.

[C0ckney]

Libya is doing better than expected, as far as I'm concerned. IIRC I was the one saying it would become a stalemate before anyone else, which is why it was the right course of action IMO.

So yes, I told you so...

you don't recall correctly i'm fairly sure, but even leaving that to one side, for you to claim a stalemate and continuing war is some kind of glorious success is ridiculous.

[MOBIUS]

I think I do recall correctly, actually. It's all in that other thread, including my prediction that one of the 'borders' was going to be between Brega and Ajdabiya...

Also, it's not a war per se, but a fairly low key rebellion with mostly static lines where the civilians in the most part have fled the fighting, hence the relatively low civilian casualties, and one of the most populous parts of Libya (Benghazi - Tobruk) has been left virtually unscathed, or actually completely untouched from the fighting.

All for a fairly cheap campaign of a few Nato sorties where the members get to use up all their back catalogue of old munitions without the single loss of life to their forces as far as I know of. How cool is that!?

Of course, I would have done it differently up till now and it would have been cheaper still for the allies, but then when you have amateurs in charge...

You OTOH wanted to stand idly by and risk a massacre in Benghazi and the country as a whole and let Gadaffi retake the country and mete out a brutal revenge - because that was what was days from happening! Thank god you're not in charge...

[BeBMan]

Leaving forever?

[Asher]

Really? U.S. RESERVES are spending tour after tour. I think it's quite likely that politicians are waking up and deciding that this is a hell of a cost, both monetarily and in lives.
Pull out. Let France and Spain... and Canada take their chances with terrorists. I don't say this in an adversarial way, I'm just saying that sometimes things aren't worth the cost, especially when no one else wants to help.

Canada's involvement in Afghanistan may've served only to increase our profile to terrorists.

[MrFun]

Only because they're counting the Indian Wars from 1775-1918 which is retarded.

And the whole last bunch were not declared wars. Then there's the "Cold War"... then what do they mean Invasion of Grenada 1983-1984? That didn't last that long.

And there's a whole crapload of military conflicts the US was involved in that is not included on that list, for some odd reason since you'd think this disingenuous person would include them... the Barbary Wars, the Boxer Rebellion, the Philippine-American War, the Banana Wars, etc.

I saw that, too - I also had to think about their inclusion of the entire Cold "War."

There's still a lot of truth in that image's listing of wars. There's no denying that there were a multitude of conflicts between Native Americans and whites during those centuries.

I suppose, if the creator of that graphic wanted, he could have quadrupled the length of that list by listing each individual Native American conflict with whites.

[dannubis]

@ OP: If you want out so badly, I guess you should never have moved in in the first place.

[MOBIUS]

AKA "I told you so!"

[C0ckney]

I think I do recall correctly, actually. It's all in that other thread, including my prediction that one of the 'borders' was going to be between Brega and Ajdabiya...

there were several threads about libya and myself and others predicted the outcome before and more accurately than any of the pro-war crowd. it's not the most important issue, but i do resent attempts to change history.

Also, it's not a war per se, but a fairly low key rebellion with mostly static lines where the civilians in the most part have fled the fighting, hence the relatively low civilian casualties, and one of the most populous parts of Libya (Benghazi - Tobruk) has been left virtually unscathed, or actually completely untouched from the fighting.

All for a fairly cheap campaign of a few Nato sorties where the members get to use up all their back catalogue of old munitions without the single loss of life to their forces as far as I know of. How cool is that!?

personally, i prefer to call a war, a war. in some places there has been little fighting, but in others, notably misrata, brega, ajabiya and places near the tunisian border there has been heavy fighting with civilian casualties. the NATO campaign has resulted in civilian casualties, but i guess that's 'cool' with you as long as no westerners are harmed...the war continues with no end in sight and obviously this means that people will continue to die as a result.

Of course, I would have done it differently up till now and it would have been cheaper still for the allies, but then when you have amateurs in charge...

You OTOH wanted to stand idly by and risk a massacre in Benghazi and the country as a whole and let Gadaffi retake the country and mete out a brutal revenge - because that was what was days from happening! Thank god you're not in charge...

i don't think we should be involving ourselves in a civil war. i find it amusing to see how similar your language here is to that of our armchair generals here around the time of the iraq war.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Libya is doing better than expected, as far as I'm concerned. IIRC I was the one saying it would become a stalemate before anyone else, which is why it was the right course of action IMO.

So yes, I told you so...

Everyone save Cockney (post 63 Long drawn out civil war = stalemate) , Arrian (post 176), Cort Haus (numerous) and myself (post 71) that is.

Mobius first mention of stalemate post 178 (March 30)

Revisionism/Prescience/Intellectual dishonesty is a wonderful thing.

Dang - too long on the research x-post with COckney

[C0ckney]

thanks ogie for taking the time to expose that BS