Why do 90% of black people vote for Democrats?

[Asher]

So the successful toppling of a dictator at minimal cost, some unimportant bull****, and the Arab Spring that Obama had no control over? Seems like an unintended endorsement of Obama's foreign policy to me!

HC is completely right, of course.

Obama should've kept funding Gadafhi as his predecessors have, he should look the other way when Israel massacres others, he should condemn Erdogan for random reasons, and single-handedly prevent the Arab Spring.

Wake up, Tupac! Wake up!

[Asher]

Are you huffing Good Friday incense ? Or mainlining the communion wine ?

Your comment on the likely possibility of union between Northern Ireland and Eire being solely due to population pressure is quite funny- I look forward to the United States' rapid merging with the Hispanic Americas and Canada's with the Arctic Tern population of Greenland.

As to Roman Catholic violence, from Croatian terrorism in Australia to the state sponsored terrorism in South and Central America, there's plenty of evidence, if you choose not to adopt the ostrich position.

You might also care to address how the religion of peace fared in WWII- from the unlovely Father Joseph Tiso to Ante Pavelic, the record's not exactly admirable.

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=57700

Good Golly Miss Molly...

[Elok]

...sure likes to ball? Perhaps.

[Elok]

Of course, O'Brien turned out to be one of the bad guys...

Yes, but IIRC he taped their acquiescence to all of these things and threw it in their faces when they tried to claim moral superiority. It didn't matter that he was an agent of Big Brother, they plainly agreed to be just as bad as him.

[Ben Kenobi]

is there anything, anything at all, that you are not completely wrong about?

There's probably more Catholics than Protestants there at this point, and they've requested representation in the Irish Parliament. How is this not Union? They've requested it and they'll get it at some point.

[Ben Kenobi]

Are you huffing Good Friday incense ? Or mainlining the communion wine ?

Just looking at facts. Ulster itself is already majority Catholic.

Your comment on the likely possibility of union between Northern Ireland and Eire being solely due to population pressure is quite funny- I look forward to the United States' rapid merging with the Hispanic Americas and Canada's with the Arctic Tern population of Greenland.

America is only 22 percent Catholic. That's a large difference between 42 and 22. There's a few dioceses which are majority Catholic, (El Paso, in the Valley, Rhode Island, Boston, Corpus Christi. Even my own which is San Antonio is only 35 percent Catholic.

As to Roman Catholic violence, from Croatian terrorism in Australia to the state sponsored terrorism in South and Central America, there's plenty of evidence, if you choose not to adopt the ostrich position.

Well since Molly can't be bothered to actually reference the incidents involved, (and they don't involve America), which was sort of the point, let's cut to the chase.

The fact that you can't dig any American examples up indicates to me that you are conceding that even in a country with only 1 percent Muslims, that they have committed more terrorism and killed more people than everyone else through terrorism in America, combined. Speaks volumes for the 'Religion of Peace'.

[Ben Kenobi]

You'd think that someone who supposedly teaches history would have a fairly good idea of how deeply involved Catholicism has been in various witch burnings

In America? Wasn't the Catholics.

the torture and execution of 'heretics', those ghastly Mediaeval Club Med excursions, the Crusades,

Yes, a war against Muslim invaders who overran and executed Christians. Gosh. Christians defending themselves? Who would have thought they would?

Let alone the fact that they saved the Orthodox who summoned them in the first place when the Turks were in Nicaea, but yeah, we forget that the Crusades simply retook Christian lands.

the Thirty Years' War

Right, where the Catholic France fought on the other side.

the persecution of the Huguenots

The persecution of the Recusants.

, the St Bartholomew's Day Massacre

The execution of the Catholic priests by Good Queen Bess. The fact that it took 300 years before they could even vote again...

the Marian persecutions in England

Which is why England which was completely Catholic is now only 10 percent Catholic. Yes, history is a funny thing. It whitewashes what happens to Catholics. More Catholics were executed by Elizabeth than the total executed by Mary, yet it is Mary who is the 'Bloody' one.

It does help being a lapsed Catholic I suppose- I don't have any illusions over just how low the Church and its adherents can go.

As it does help being a lapsed Anglican.

[giblets]

I concur; that's incredibly obnoxious.

Okay then, I'll put it in a spoiler.

[Hauldren Collider]

Yes, but IIRC he taped their acquiescence to all of these things and threw it in their faces when they tried to claim moral superiority. It didn't matter that he was an agent of Big Brother, they plainly agreed to be just as bad as him.

I don't remember this bit, actually, but I think it's a good idea to point out that this has rarely stopped any revolution.

[C0ckney]

There's probably more Catholics than Protestants there at this point, and they've requested representation in the Irish Parliament. How is this not Union? They've requested it and they'll get it at some point.

cite please.

meanwhile here are some facts.

According to a 2010 Northern Ireland Life and Times Survey carried out by Queens University Belfast and the University of Ulster, 73% support remaining part of the United Kingdom via devolved government or direct rule, with support for leaving the UK and forming a political United Ireland at 16%. In terms of religion, 52% of Northern Ireland Catholics now support remaining part of the United Kingdom via devolved government or direct rule, usually while continuing to support nationalist political parties.[9] The number of Catholics supporting a United Ireland has now dropped to 33% amongst the Catholic population, according to the same poll. The proportion of Protestants given in the study who wish to join the Republic is under 5%, as 90% prefer remaining in the United Kingdom in some form.

[Ben Kenobi]

cite please.

The 2001 census put Catholics at 40 percent and total protestants at 45. Given the increase from 1991 to 2001, it's likely that Catholics are at 42 percent and that protestants have dropped below that number.

meanwhile here are some facts.

Home rule is the same as union. It's great news for Northern Ireland to have home rule, because then they will be free of the UK.

Home rule + Majority Catholic -> United Ireland.

[Hauldren Collider]

Spoiler:

Home rule is the same as union. It's great news for Northern Ireland to have home rule, because then they will be free of the UK.

Down is up!

[C0ckney]

HC, i know, it's typical ben.

The 2001 census put Catholics at 40 percent and total protestants at 45. Given the increase from 1991 to 2001, it's likely that Catholics are at 42 percent and that protestants have dropped below that number.

here are some numbers.

The population of Northern Ireland was estimated as being 1,759,000 on 10 December 2008.[47] In the 2001 census, 45.57% of the population identified as belonging to Protestant or other non-Roman Catholic denominations (20.69% Presbyterian, 15.30% Church of Ireland, 3.51% Methodist, 6.07% other Christian/Christian related), 40.26% identified as Roman Catholic, 0.30% identified with non-Christian religions and 13.88% identified with no religion.[48] In terms of community background, 53.1% of the Northern Irish population came from a Protestant background, 43.8% came from a Catholic background, 0.4% from non-Christian backgrounds and 2.7% non-religious backgrounds.[49][50] The population is forecast to pass the 1.8 million mark by 2011.

as i have already pointed out in my previous post, catholics do not automatically support a united ireland. in fact more support continuing the union, rather than uniting with ireland or independence. so it is irrelevant if the number of catholics surpasses the number of protestants at some point in the future.

now let's have a cite for your claim about representation in the irish parliament.

Home rule is the same as union. It's great news for Northern Ireland to have home rule, because then they will be free of the UK.

Home rule + Majority Catholic -> United Ireland.

no it isn't and no it doesn't. good grief you are ignorant. look up the good friday agreement. what northern ireland has is a devolved government with a power sharing arrangement between the two largest parties (sinn fein and the democratic unionist party). it remains part of the united kingdom, in line with the wishes of its people. scotland and wales also have devolved governments and remain part of the UK.

[Imran Siddiqui]

SO what I'm getting from this latest bump is that Cain support is from the wackjob conspiracy theorists who don't care about facts. I'm sure that'll take him far.

[giblets]

SO what I'm getting from this latest bump is that Cain support is from the wackjob conspiracy theorists who don't care about facts. I'm sure that'll take him far.

Yeah, he doesn't have a chance at winning the general election.