Nearly Half Of Detroiters illiterate.

[Arrian]

JM,

That makes sense.

I don't have a strong opinion on the optimal policy vis-a-vis assistance to NAs, but I think it's a good idea to offer a helping hand for those who *don't* reject the white man's economy/culture. For those who insist on being dead-enders, there's not much you can do.

-Arrian

[Hauldren Collider]

I'm no expert on this, but I recently read that a lot of the "measureable improvement" under Rhee came down to cheating on the tests. Rhee was certainly the poster woman for the crusade against the teachers union, that I recall.

-Arrian

This is false. As I recall, Rhee actually fired scores of teachers who falsified testing.

[Arrian]

I googled it some: it appears that a statistical study of erasures on tests *suggests* that there may have been widespread cheating.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/parents-teachers-seek-federal-probe-of-dc-erasing-scandal/2011/05/06/AFxmxABG_blog.html

I recall when this first arose, Rhee vehemently denied it and claimed it was just mudslinging from her critics.

-Arrian

[DaShi]

Their grade school is crap, too. The education system from primary school to college is basically focused on rote memorization.

Seems to be working for them better than our system is working for us.

[DaShi]

Personally I think a problem in both the African American and Native American communities is that some feel that they have been so screwed by whites (especially in the past) that they want to not take part of the 'white economy'. This is a huge mistake, and ends with poverty.

Has nothing directly to do with welfare.

JM

There's the additional problem that poverty has effects that can last generations. While some may say that black culture is holding them back, this is incorrect. It's a culture of poverty that is holding many back that just happens to be divided by racial lines.

[DaShi]

This is false. As I recall, Rhee actually fired scores of teachers who falsified testing.

I recall Rhee making a show of it only to be caught with her hand in the cookie jar.

[b etor]

I'm literate!!!

Also, HECK YES, RED WINGS!!!!!!!!! such a good game.

[Guynemer]

I'm literate!!!

Also, HECK YES, RED WINGS!!!!!!!!! such a good game.

****ing a.

[Jon Miller]

There's the additional problem that poverty has effects that can last generations. While some may say that black culture is holding them back, this is incorrect. It's a culture of poverty that is holding many back that just happens to be divided by racial lines.

I mentioned this, that the main component is poverty (see my white+hispanic post).

I have seen, being a peripheral member of an african american community in Newport News VA, that some African Americans do feel so screwed by whites that they want to form a separate economy. This is not black culture, but is a movement within black culture.

Obviously it is a huge mistake.

JM

[Heraclitus]

I was going to make this same point. By and large, black students fare about as well as their socio-economic white counterparts. HS graduation rates among poor whites aren't very good, either. There are numerous instances of largely black inner city schools being made to perform well by actually trying to educate them well. That's because the real overarching issue is that the chronically-underfunded inner city schools are ****holes with overcrowded classrooms and apathetic teachers that make a lot of students apathetic (at best) about being there. When one sees little reason to hope that graduating HS will substantially improve their lives, why should they bother? The notion that they don't strive to succeed because they view that as "white" is risible.

Nearly half statements made in that quote are provably wrong. I have neither the time nor the will left to waste effort online correcting people who are so wilfully ignorant. I'm not going to go all data dump on you but seriously to see a laughable claim like this:

By and large, black students fare about as well as their socio-economic white counterparts.

I just have to respond to that one.



What's life like in 1970s?

[DaShi]

Don't worry Hera. DFG won't replace you. But it is funny that you are bringing out stuff that has been proven wrong here over and over again to claim that someone else is wrong.

[DaShi]

I mentioned this, that the main component is poverty (see my white+hispanic post).

Sorry. I don't have time to read all the posts, so I'm more likely to go over ground that's already been covered. I blame Obama.

I have seen, being a peripheral member of an african american community in Newport News VA, that some African Americans do feel so screwed by whites that they want to form a separate economy. This is not black culture, but is a movement within black culture.

Obviously it is a huge mistake.

JM

The Black Panthers proposed the same thing.

[SlowwHand]

THe Black Panthers were, and are, just as ****headed.

[DaShi]

I don't believe that you are in any position to comment.

[Heraclitus]

Don't worry Hera. DFG won't replace you. But it is funny that you are bringing out stuff that has been proven wrong here over and over again to claim that someone else is wrong.

Are you saying that the data behind the graph is inaccurate?

By and large, black students fare about as well as their socio-economic white counterparts.

Poor Black people do worse than equally poor White people in schools.

Bonus points if you guess how well poor East Asian people do!


Now now before you go out and hurt someone evil oppressive patriarchal racist Taiwanese local or Western tourists, let me just assure that there really is no reason to be so buthurt about this DaShi, there are plenty of noncrimethink explanations for such a scenario. I recommend you go with institutional racism, its impossible to argue against that.



PS In any case I'm glad you still love me and stalk all my posts.