Bin Laden To Be Announced As Kiiled

[Wezil]

Some of them, maybe. Maybe the people who knew where he was were bribed into keeping quiet.

BS. The P- army and ISI like him more than they like US.

He was living next to a large military base in a military garrison town. If you want to believe they didn't know he was there feel free.

[Wezil]

And I'm saying that your assumption that they had consented or had any idea about the raid is actually contradicted by information already available.

First off, we have no credible source at this time. Both US statements and P- statements should be taken with a HUGE grain of salt.

Based on what past Pakistani actions exactly, anyway? The fact that they've been dragging their feet on cooperation with the U.S. for a decade?

Accepting billions from the US while they play footsie with the radicals. That would be a good example.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

If that is his point then his argument is with someone besides me.

I believe the point of contention is whether Paki was given any warning at all. You seem to think they were, and were given hush money/favors. Evidence would suggest Paki was completely in the dark on this operation for fear of them tipping off OBL.

[Guynemer]

Just a note: my banning created more posts faster than did the death of the world's most wanted terrorist.

Well, naturally. One incident involved a crime against humanity; the other involved a bunch of pissed-off Muslims flying planes into buildings.

[Wezil]

Ogie -

I heard the area was a "no fly" zone. Someone must have been tipped off.

I think the civilian government green-lighted the mission.

[giblets]

BS. The P- army and ISI like him more than they like US.

He was living next to a large military base in a military garrison town. If you want to believe they didn't know he was there feel free.

but we've given them billions in aid

[Boris Godunov]

First off, we have no credible source at this time. Both US statements and P- statements should be taken with a HUGE grain of salt.

What benefit is it to Pakistan to deny any knowledge of the raid whatsoever if they in fact consented to it? Right now, they're desperately trying to avoid the rather uncomfortable issue that it looks like they knew where he was and yet did not share that info with the U.S. The Pakistani ambassador has been spinning their complete lack of knowledge of the raid:

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2011/s3205859.htm

But since you apparently have some evidence Pakistan knew and consented to the raid, do share.

Accepting billions from the US while they play footsie with the radicals. That would be a good example.

How would this be indicative of Pakistan consenting to the raid? If anything, that just further proves my point that Pakistan has made public pretenses of cooperation but behind the scenes has stymied U.S. efforts.

Holy ****, do you even have any idea what you're arguing anymore?

[Boris Godunov]

I think the civilian government green-lighted the mission.

And we're back the fact that all the evidence we have suggests otherwise, so why should anyone give any credence to this opinion?

[Wezil]

What benefit is it to Pakistan to deny any knowledge of the raid whatsoever if they in fact consented to it? Right now, they're desperately trying to avoid the rather uncomfortable issue that it looks like they knew where he was and yet did not share that info with the U.S. The Pakistani ambassador has been spinning their complete lack of knowledge of the raid:

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2011/s3205859.htm

But since you apparently have some evidence Pakistan knew and consented to the raid, do share.

Have you followed P- "street" reaction to US missions in their country? Of course the government will deny any prior knowledge, as to say they knew would invite huge dissent.

The flip side of that conundrum is the P- understanding that they have to appear to be fully co-operative with the US if they want the aid to keep flowing (or in extreme to prevent being on the enemies list).

How would this be indicative of Pakistan consenting to the raid? If anything, that just further proves my point that Pakistan has made public pretenses of cooperation but behind the scenes has stymied U.S. efforts.

Exactly, they are playing both sides of a two-sided game.

Holy ****, do you even have any idea what you're arguing anymore?

It's pretzel logic when talking about P-. No way around it.

[DanS]

Glad he's gone.

That there is a seemingly endless pool of terrorists who should meet their maker in similar fashion doesn't lower my feeling of satisfaction.

[Wezil]

And we're back the fact that all the evidence we have suggests otherwise, so why should anyone give any credence to this opinion?

You really don't understand P- politics do you?

[PLATO]

I think there are two different questions here. Did the Paks know he was there and did they know we were coming?

I think it is reasonable to say "yes" to the first and "no" to the second based upon where he was and the info released so far. It looks fairly obvious to me that they have been given the opportunity to be happy about the raid, and due to it being the only real option for them, they are taking it.

[Wezil]

I think it reached a point where the further sheltering of OBL was worth less to the governmet than what they could get for giving him up.

[BeBMan]

It also depends a lot who exactly is meant - gov, army, secret service, or just certain parts of each...

[Wezil]

True BeBro. I could see the government knowing of the impending raid but not informing the army (to avoid tip-offs).