A Game of Thrones - TV Show Discussion Thread

[Imran Siddiqui]

Of course I haven't seen it yet, but I will state that I'm with reg that

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Having Stannis at the end - maybe making this episode a bit longer as well - would have been a great capper to the Battle at the Wall; that is one of my favorite parts of the series and I think it should have had one episode of its own. It'll likely be slightly overshadowed by Tywin's death, not to mention Lady Stoneheart, if they bring her in this season

[Dinner]

So I guess this means...

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...Donal Noye lives?

Just another character they eliminated in the TV show,, I guess.

[pchang]

I don't know if anyone was counting, but leading up to the episode they kept saying that there were no more than 100 men in castle black.
It seems that at least that many were showed killed during the episode.
There can't be that many left.

Start counting.
7 in the tunnel.
At least a half dozen on the wall to the giant's arrow and the barrel exploding.
Ygritte took out at least 10
Tormund takes out at least a dozen just walking around.
Styr does about the same.
That tall crane shot showed at least another 10 go down (great shot)
And these are just the obvious ones.

While I loved the episode it just didn't seem to add up.

Maybe they got some reinforcements?

[Felch]

It would have made more sense with some Mole's Town refugees to take on the role of redshirts. That way you could show more losses, and still have a slightly plausible defense.

[DaShi]

That was fantastic. That crane shot in the castle courtyard around 40 minutes in? Holy ****ing ****.

That was cool in an otherwise dull episode. I watched it through HBOGO and kept looking at the timer waiting for it to get to 5-10 minutes left. I was hoping that something interesting would finally happen during climax of the battle, but nope.

[Hauldren Collider]

Well, that doesn't happen just yet. It happens while

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Jon is treating with Mance

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That is EXACTLY how my wife described it. "That was metal as ****."

I just said HOLY ****ING **** that's brilliant.

[Hauldren Collider]

It would have made more sense with some Mole's Town refugees to take on the role of redshirts. That way you could show more losses, and still have a slightly plausible defense.

Agreed. Didn't that happen in the books?

[Felch]

Yeah, they defended Castle Black in the first battle. I think they were mostly gone by the time Mance attacked the wall.

[self biased]

i laughed waaay too hard at this:

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and this....

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[Dinner]

The Ygrette death scene was more than a bit sappy. I liked the book version better where she dies (probably when the stairs leading up to the top of the wall collapse) but Jon doesn't know about it until after the battle is over.

[Bosh]

Think that was probably the best TV battle scene ever. Pretty low bar since so few shows even bother to show battles. What else is even in the running?

[regexcellent]

Holy ****!

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THAT's new. (from the preview)

edit to not doublepost: ugggh this must be TWOW material, probably the "controversial" chapter we've heard about, and it seems completely unnecessary. God ****ing damnit.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/t...f-parents.html

[Bosh]

Holy ****!

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THAT's new. (from the preview)

edit to not doublepost: ugggh this must be TWOW material, probably the "controversial" chapter we've heard about, and it seems completely unnecessary. God ****ing damnit.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/t...f-parents.html

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This sort of thing is why the series gets to me after a while (especially after having kids). It isn't any one event, the Red Wedding and everything are good stuff, it's just how constant these horrible happenings are and how high they pile up that begins to weary me. I guess it comes from Martin's history with downer short stories in his early writing career. A short story with a downer ending can be very good stuff, but if you have a long book series with downer after downer with the same getting hammered down again and again, just leeches away the enthusiasm after a while.

Still will probably read the next book at sleep deprivation speed and finish it in under a week but I don't think I'll reread the last few books too often.

[Patroklos]

Will someone smear some ****ing dirt on Ygritte's face please. For all this talk about not being some Southron princess kneeling lap dog she exfoliates and mosturizes more than anyone in that universe. Literally everyone else in her band is rolling in **** every morning from the looks of it while she prances around in her cute fur Uggs and hair from a Pantine commercial.

Also giants up close and personal
Giant archers to add some danger to the top of the wall
Pretending having someone defend the actual gate through the ice, the weakest part of your defense, was some kind of afterthought that just would have gone unnoticed had Jon not thought about it
We keep Donal alive but kill Pip and Grenn who actually have plot purposes later on?

While the scythe was cool to watch, if you have a hundred odd people capable of scaling the wall that fast why the **** did you decide to do it right above the only place in a few hundred miles that is defended? Go a few miles over, scale it there, then attack the defenders at the top while striking on the ground at each side. Especially since it seems every wildling with lines seems to have been up and over the wall trivially throughout their lives, this should not have been hard.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Neil Marshall is an excellent choice of director for stuff like that episode. As anyone who has seen "The Descent" will know, he's a good choice for making tight budgets look epic.