I have survived my second annual thinning of the herd

[BlackCat]

I, personally don't care about that, but I do love that HC made my point and he doesn't even know it. He claimed teens had been priced out of the market in California due to the $8.15 minimum wage even though I had showed him at least one local chain (I mentioned it due to knowing something about it) has tons of teens who were willing to work largely because the pay was higher. If the teens had fewer job skills then the illegals or recent legal immigrants then surely they would be getting payed less than the 35 year old Mexican guy. Yet, the white (and Asian) teens working at In-N-Out start off at $10 per hour and often make $12-$13 per hour while the Hispanic adults are stuck at or just above minimum wage. Ergo his argument is false and he doesn't even understand that basic fact.

The reason the American born teens are getting paid higher wages is because they know they can hold out for a higher paying job while the recent immigrants are often desperate for any work and will work even for low wages if someone would hire them. Not that any of this has anything to do with the minimum wage debate and instead I just want to make it clear HC is being a ****.

Honestly, HC has no idea of real life

[Al B. Sure!]

Nuking Congo won't have any effect - nuking virginia would probably be way more effective

Actually good point, BlackCat. Nuking people who are already starving to save what? A small cup of rice per person? Nuke the rich. They eat more.

[Kuciwalker]

Thus the minimum wage even if it has it's problems.

You misunderstand "guaranteed minimum income". It is not a minimum wage; it is a direct payment from the government to each citizen. Think of it like that payment each Alaskan gets every year, paid out of the special tax on oil companies.

[Hauldren Collider]

Actually good point, BlackCat. Nuking people who are already starving to save what? A small cup of rice per person? Nuke the rich. They eat more.

I'm almost underweight, you can spare me. Kuciwalker on the other hand.....

[Hauldren Collider]

You misunderstand "guaranteed minimum income". It is not a minimum wage; it is a direct payment from the government to each citizen. Think of it like that payment each Alaskan gets every year, paid out of the special tax on oil companies.

I don't think of that as a GMI so much as just ensuring there are people who are actually willing to live in Alaska

[Dinner]

Honestly, this is pure BS. Point 1), yeah, the don't care. 2) this is the only point that you got right. 3) I assume that you think "work won't be done because it's too darn costly" - well, I think that most of that will be done just at a higher payment.

Dude, this is a dumb post. Kuci was spot on with his post which you quoted. Most people really do make more than the minimum wage, raising the minimum wage does help people who would be making slightly less if there wasn't a minimum wage because it causes their wage to go up, increases in the minimum wage do generally decrease total employment by pushing out those with the lowest skills (I'm more interesting in debating how strong this effect is though), and worse it generally increases inflation as well so that harms everyone but the poor most of all (again the debate on exactly how much of an effect this would have on inflation would be an interesting but difficult one).

[Dinner]

Nuking Virginia would result in the apocalypse because we'd have our nuclear missile submarines retaliate as per mutually assured destruction. So, no.

Only if they can find who did it. That's why I think the future of nuclear war is from nonstate actors using terrorist tactics.

[C0ckney]

Correct. It was a couple of years back when I did some reading about this, and it is
true that there was no research back then that would demonstrate this beyond doubt
using statistics.

Yet, it is so obviously true and logical that I don't see why statistical proof is necessary.

if it's so obviously true and logical then proving it should be an easy matter, no? if you can't find any proof for something so 'obvious and logical' then maybe you need to start thinking about why that is...

[BlackCat]

God, you're stupid. The work that's "done just at a higher payment" is group 2.

I assumed that you claimed that that work wouldn't be done because it would be too "costly" - and yes, there are things that wont be done if the price is too high, but so be it.

[BlackCat]

Nuking Virginia would result in the apocalypse because we'd have our nuclear missile submarines retaliate as per mutually assured destruction. So, no.

No offense, but why would you retaliate nuking yourself ????

[Al B. Sure!]

I'm almost underweight, you can spare me. Kuciwalker on the other hand.....

You being underweight probably doesn't have much to do with your food consumption. How many teenagers you know who eat entire pizzas as a snack and never gain a pound?

I eat a lot, myself, so ehh

[BlackCat]

Dude, this is a dumb post. Kuci was spot on with his post which you quoted. Most people really do make more than the minimum wage, raising the minimum wage does help people who would be making slightly less if there wasn't a minimum wage because it causes their wage to go up, increases in the minimum wage do generally decrease total employment by pushing out those with the lowest skills (I'm more interesting in debating how strong this effect is though), and worse it generally increases inflation was well so that harms everyone but the poor most of all (again the debate on exactly how much of an effect this would have on inflation would be an interesting but difficult one).

No. Kuci is dreaming out of some pipe dreams of ultimate kapitalism hot smoke.

True, skilled/educated people isn't hit by minimum wages, fine - forget them they are cared for. Those that would benefit from a minimum wage will need less medic care, less social sec., have lower criminality and more improtantly buy more.

[KrazyHorse]

Oh and this one is called inflation. You were paid more than the minimum wage earners of today.

Inflation?

I was earning 12$ 1.5 years ago.

BTW, I am slumming it tonight in LES. Dinner and drinks < 150$

[Al B. Sure!]

Inflation?

I was earning 12$ 1.5 years ago.

BTW, I am slumming it tonight in LES. Dinner and drinks < 150$

$12 is still well above minimum wage. It's 66% higher than minimum wage.

As for slumming it... It's like you can't help being a douche. You always say douchey things

[BlackCat]

Inflation?

I was earning 12$ 1.5 years ago.

Honestly, back in the early 80'es I had a summer job as unskilled worker and had $12. + 50% beyond 8 hours and 100% if dangerous.