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  • Originally posted by KrazyHorse View Post
    Is that comment supposed to make sense?
    I guess not. I'm trying to ask how the output of teaching is improved by making it an inferior choice for almost anyone that has the qualifications to teach on an aggregate scale. Would the burnout rate of teachers improve without unions in the public school system? Is it possible that already great school systems/districts will benefit more than bad school systems/districts in terms of efficiency?

    It's hard for me to imagine education for all being a goal if there is a greater goal of efficiency.
    Last edited by MRT144; February 19, 2011, 21:05.
    "I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
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    • If you don't care about efficiency, why don't we increase teacher compensation without limit?

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      • I doubt it.
        “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
        "Capitalism ho!"

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        • Originally posted by Kuciwalker View Post
          If you don't care about efficiency, why don't we increase teacher compensation without limit?
          Cause it's obviously not completely an either or question. I just worry that if you blindly pursue efficiency it could come at the reduction of service for marginally tougher cases.
          "I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
          'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburger

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          • So you support public sector unions as an end run around the voters you disagree with, by preventing them from implementing the policies they voted for. Got it.

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            • Originally posted by Kuciwalker View Post
              So you support public sector unions as an end run around the voters you disagree with, by preventing them from implementing the policies they voted for. Got it.
              Is all voted action just?

              Also, I just support the right for individuals to form unions regardless of sector. Not that I always agree with what they want.
              "I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
              'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburger

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              • Also, I just support the right for individuals to form unions regardless of sector.


                And yet we've just gone through the exercise of demonstrating how public sector unions aren't anything like private sector unions unless you are trying to thwart the voters...

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                • Originally posted by DaShi View Post
                  I doubt it.
                  NRO has an agenda, sure, but this doesn't seem that far fetched.
                  John Brown did nothing wrong.

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                  • Originally posted by Felch View Post
                    NRO has an agenda, sure, but this doesn't seem that far fetched.
                    Don't bet on it:

                    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/19/947285/-Conservatives-ginning-up-fake-doctors-excuse-handout-story-at-Wisconsin-protests-

                    Looks like the Koch machine is humming along in Wisconsin today. Here's something hot off the wire from some obscure group (explored by karoli at Crooks and Liars), the McIver Institute, which is breathlessly "reporting":

                    On Saturday, a group of men and women in lab coats purporting to be doctors were handing out medical excuse notes, without examining the ‘patients.’
                    “I asked this doctor what he was doing and he told me they were handing out excuses to people who were feeling sick due to emotional, mental or financial distress,” said Christian Hartsock. “They never performed an exam–he asked me how I was feeling today and I said I’m from California and I’m not used to the cold, so he handed me a note.”

                    Oh, noes! This regular old average American guy is being seduced into lying by awful liberal doctors, right?

                    Hardly:

                    Hartsock directed the undercover investigation video Teachers Unions Gone Wild which exposed sleaze and corruption in the New Jersey Education Association, earning the accolades of Governor Chris Christie, produced B-roll for James O'Keefe's and Hannah Giles' investigation videos that brought down ACORN, exposed anti-Americanism at the UN Climate Summit in Cancun and continues to work on investigative journalism videos. He's traveled to Iraq with Move America Forward to document the Iraq war and was profiled in CNN's documentary Right on the Edge a documentary about young conservative activists hosted by Abbie Boudreau. He currently writes for several news and commentary websites, including Big Government and Big Journalism, and is Editor-in-Chief of Political Vanguard.
                    This story is spreading like wildfire through conservative blogs and news outlets. When your wingnut Uncle Crazypants sends it along to you tonight in a capitalized, misspelled email, be sure to inform him—and all the other people on the receiving end of this garbage—about this "disinterested" witness at today's Wisconsin protests.
                    The safe bet is that anything DD posts is bull****.
                    “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
                    "Capitalism ho!"

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                    • .
                      “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
                      "Capitalism ho!"

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                      • Originally posted by DaShi View Post
                        The safe bet is that anything DD posts is bull****.
                        You do realize that you haven't actually posted any evidence of that regarding the link, right? Only ad hominems.
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                        • Also, DD can't read so that needs to be taken into account with anything he posts as well.
                          “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
                          "Capitalism ho!"

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                          • Originally posted by Kuciwalker View Post
                            Also, I just support the right for individuals to form unions regardless of sector.


                            And yet we've just gone through the exercise of demonstrating how public sector unions aren't anything like private sector unions unless you are trying to thwart the voters...
                            Nonsense. Every worker has a god given right to forum unions, organize themselves, and advocate for better pay and working conditions. Only a fascist would claim all people don't have that right.
                            Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                            • If you think that the government should guarantee its employees' rights to decent pay and working conditions, why don't you just lobby the government to provide them with decent pay and working conditions rather than to provide them with a means to extort the government?

                              You are trying to use the government to protect them from exploitation by the government. How does that help?

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                              • No... the teacher's unions are being used to protect them from exploitation. I just want the government to back down in its efforts to destroy them.

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