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    With both parties now trying to grab a piece of the Reagan pie, one has to wonder, what was Reagan really like?




    February 14, 2011
    Reagan and Reality
    By BOB HERBERT
    Early in Eugene Jarecki’s documentary, “Reagan,” you hear the voice of Ronald Reagan saying, “Someday it might be worthwhile to find out how images are created — and even more worthwhile to learn how false images come into being.”

    Indeed. The image that many, perhaps most, Americans have of the nation’s 40th president is largely manufactured. Reagan has become this larger-than-life figure who all but single-handedly won the cold war, planted the Republican Party’s tax-cut philosophy in the resistant soil of the liberal Democrats and is the touchstone for all things allegedly conservative, no matter how wacky or extreme.

    Mr. Jarecki’s documentary does a first-rate job of respectfully separating the real from the mythical, the significant from the nonsense. The truth is that Ronald Reagan, at one time or another, was all over the political map. Early on, he was a liberal Democrat and admirer of Franklin Roosevelt. Reagan’s family received much-needed help from the New Deal during the Depression.

    It is well known that Reagan was the head of the Screen Actors Guild. And though he was staunchly anti-Communist, he did not finger anyone when he appeared before the rabid House Un-American Activities Committee. But Mr. Jarecki learned that at the height of the Red Scare, Reagan had been secretly cooperating with the F.B.I. He was registered officially as Informant T-10.

    No less than other public figures, Reagan was complicated. He was neither the empty suit that his greatest detractors would have you believe nor the conservative god of his most slavish admirers. He was a tax-cutter who raised taxes in seven of the eight years of his presidency. He was a budget-cutter who nearly tripled the federal budget deficit.

    The biggest problem with Reagan, as we look back at his presidency in search of clues that might help us meet the challenges of today, is that he presented himself — and has since been presented by his admirers — as someone committed to the best interests of ordinary, hard-working Americans. Yet his economic policies, Reaganomics, dealt a body blow to that very constituency.

    Mark Hertsgaard, the author of “On Bended Knee: The Press and the Reagan Presidency,” says in the film, “You cannot be fair in your historical evaluation of Ronald Reagan if you don’t look at the terrible damage his economic policies did to this country.”

    Paul Volcker, who served as chairman of the Federal Reserve during most of the Reagan years, commented in the film about the economist Arthur Laffer’s famous curve, which, incredibly, became a cornerstone of national economic policy. “The Laffer Curve,” said Mr. Volcker, “was presented as an intellectual support for the idea that reducing taxes would produce more revenues, and that was, I think, considered by most people a pretty extreme interpretation of what would happen.”

    Toward the end of his comment, the former Fed chairman chuckled as if still amused by the idea that this was ever taken seriously.

    What we get with Reagan are a series of disconnects and contradictions that have led us to a situation in which a president widely hailed as a hero of the working class set in motion policies that have been mind-bogglingly beneficial to the wealthy and devastating to working people and the poor.

    “It is important that we stop idolizing our public figures, lionizing them,” said Mr. Jarecki, in an interview. He views Reagan as a gifted individual and does not give short shrift in the film to Reagan’s successes in his dealings with the Soviet Union and other elements of what Mr. Jarecki called “the positive side of Ronald Reagan.” The film also has interviews with many Reagan stalwarts, including James Baker and George Shultz.

    But when all is said and done, it is the economic revolution that gained steam during the Reagan years and is still squeezing the life out of the middle class and the poor that is Reagan’s most significant legacy. A phony version of that legacy is relentlessly promoted by right-wingers who shamelessly pursue the interests of the very rich while invoking the Reagan brand to give the impression that they are in fact the champions of ordinary people.

    Reagan’s son, Ron, says in the film that he believes his father “was vulnerable to the idea that poor people were somehow poor because it was their fault.” A clip is then shown of Ronald Reagan referring to, “The homeless who are homeless, you might say, by choice.”

    “Reagan,” an HBO documentary, will be shown on Presidents’ Day to U.S. military personnel on the American Forces Network. It will be available soon in theaters and home video release. It is an important corrective to the fantasy of Reagan that has gotten such a purchase on American consciousness.

    Roger Cohen is off today.
    Wait for the poll, ********ers!
    19
    Ringwing Reagan-the conservative deity whose message is as malleable as the Bible
    21.05%
    4
    Dumb waiter Reagan-the empty shell which conservative could dump their awful ideas
    10.53%
    2
    Movie Reagan-the Reagan we saw in the news was the actor
    5.26%
    1
    Traitor Reagan-a vile villain willing to undermine the law to save his own skin
    0.00%
    0
    Middle of the Line Reagan-the Reagan who wasn't as partisan as either side claims
    47.37%
    9
    Banana Reagan-the Reagan who denied his Irish heritage
    15.79%
    3
    “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
    "Capitalism ho!"

  • #2
    What was Reagan really like? I understand he drooled a lot can couldn't remember anyone's name. Especially in his later years.
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    • #3
      Middle of the road. He was in favor of free trade, except when they wouldn't open their markets, then it was time for tariffs. He did severely reduce inflation, but he did so not by gutting out of control non-discretionary spending, but by kicking the can down the road.

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      • #4
        Raygun Reagan...
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        • #5
          His biggest strength was portraying the US as still a great nation when a lot of people had lost faith. That was quite important at the time. Image is everything.
          It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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          • #6
            Originally posted by rah View Post
            His biggest strength was portraying the US as still a great nation when a lot of people had lost faith. That was quite important at the time. Image is everything.
            That was important and it is something that doesn't reflect in stats, numbers or graphs.
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            • #7
              I think you shouldn't worship past leaders no matter what. They had their own motivations for doing things and those motivations are probably not the same as yours.

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              • #8
                Reagan the ex-liberal who saved America from the Godless commies isn't a poll option. Thus I shall vote for Reagan, conservative deity. Hail Reagan!
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                • #9
                  "Middle of the Line Reagan-the Reagan who wasn't as partisan as either side claims"

                  You accidentally put a realistic alternative, DaShi. You're kind of slipping, aren't you?
                  Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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                  He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                  • #10
                    Zombie Reagan

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                    • #11
                      Reagan is a lie!
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                      • #12
                        Reagan the liar!

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                        • #13
                          Dumber than solid lead... Yes, option 2.
                          "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by rah View Post
                            His biggest strength was portraying the US as still a great nation when a lot of people had lost faith. That was quite important at the time. Image is everything.
                            Yep. I was just discussing the importance of that aspect of Reagan in relation to Carter (and Obama's similarties with Carter) the other day.
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                            • #15
                              Why is it that Americans can't stand reasonable and smart people? Do you really need this "yeehaw where's my horse" mentality in your leadership?
                              "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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