Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Which Reagan do you believe in?

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #16
    IMO, it has nothing to do with "reasonable and smart people" (by your tone, I assume you are refering to liberals). Americans prefer leaders to managers no matter their political stripe or implied "intelligence".
    We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
    If any man be thirsty, let him come unto me and drink. Vampire 7:37
    Just one old soldiers opinion. E Tenebris Lux. Pax quaeritur bello.

    Comment


    • #17
      Originally posted by SpencerH View Post
      Americans prefer leaders to managers no matter their political stripe or implied "intelligence".
      Which I've always disliked about our country, given that we fought so hard to get away from King George III.
      Click here if you're having trouble sleeping.
      "We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large ones." - François de La Rochefoucauld

      Comment


      • #18
        Originally posted by SpencerH View Post
        IMO, it has nothing to do with "reasonable and smart people" (by your tone, I assume you are refering to liberals). Americans prefer leaders to managers no matter their political stripe or implied "intelligence".
        A good leader needs at least a glimmer of intelligence. This was lacking in Reagan. The only thing he did was "looking tough" on TV. And I am not talking about liberals / conservatives / socialists neither. I actually liked Bush the older and you can hardly call him a liberal now can you ?
        "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

        Comment


        • #19
          Americans hate being leveled with, and told hard truths. Whenever some politician attempts it, he is smacked down, hard. Which is why Obama has mostly avoided it, actually (despite the wailing and gnashing of teeth from dishonest hacks who portray him as "apologizing for America" and "blaming America" or "Hating America."). I have no doubt he knows about Carter.

          Reagan fed our national mythology regarding how special and awesome we are (aka "portraying the US as still a great nation when a lot of people had lost faith"). He was rewarded for that with 2 terms. Almost everyone liked it, at least a little. Most American politicians do this, almost constantly. We must be told, over and over and over, that we're great.

          There was obviously more to it than that (since he simply did, skillfully, what most if not all of them do). Reagan was wise enough to understand that someone who agrees with you 4 times out of 5 is your political ally, not your enemy. He was a good politician. He was not dumb. I think he was wrong about some things, sure, but that doesn't mean he was dumb.

          -Arrian
          grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

          The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

          Comment


          • #20
            Originally posted by dannubis View Post
            A good leader needs at least a glimmer of intelligence. This was lacking in Reagan. The only thing he did was "looking tough" on TV. And I am not talking about liberals / conservatives / socialists neither. I actually liked Bush the older and you can hardly call him a liberal now can you ?
            So you believe that one can become President of the USA without being intelligent? An interesting perspective.

            As for GHW Bush, actually he was fairly liberal IMO, just not as liberal as (for example) Obama.
            We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
            If any man be thirsty, let him come unto me and drink. Vampire 7:37
            Just one old soldiers opinion. E Tenebris Lux. Pax quaeritur bello.

            Comment


            • #21
              WTF does it take for you to consider someone conservative? GHWB a liberal! What, exactly, made him a liberal?

              -Arrian
              grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

              The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

              Comment


              • #22
                He raised taxes, you know.
                Click here if you're having trouble sleeping.
                "We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large ones." - François de La Rochefoucauld

                Comment


                • #23
                  Thanks Spence!
                  “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
                  "Capitalism ho!"

                  Comment


                  • #24
                    So did Reagan

                    -Arrian
                    grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                    The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

                    Comment


                    • #25
                      Then he was a dirty li... lib.... liberal, too.
                      Click here if you're having trouble sleeping.
                      "We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large ones." - François de La Rochefoucauld

                      Comment


                      • #26
                        Originally posted by SpencerH View Post
                        So you believe that one can become President of the USA without being intelligent? An interesting perspective.
                        Yes. I have living memory of 5 presidents: Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II and Obama. 2 of them were dumber than a cobble stone.
                        "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

                        Comment


                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Arrian View Post
                          WTF does it take for you to consider someone conservative? GHWB a liberal! What, exactly, made him a liberal?

                          -Arrian
                          He's probably thinking of Medicare Part D and Department of Homeland Security with Faith Based Programs along with Bush's views on Immigration. Libertarian Republicans dislike the Bush Administration for all sorts of ideas of how he abandoned "conservativism" (recall Cheney was called "war criminal" at a recent CPAC by some libertarian Republicans).
                          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                          - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

                          Comment


                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
                            He's probably thinking of Medicare Part D and Department of Homeland Security with Faith Based Programs along with Bush's views on Immigration. Libertarian Republicans dislike the Bush Administration for all sorts of ideas of how he abandoned "conservativism" (recall Cheney was called "war criminal" at a recent CPAC by some libertarian Republicans).
                            Wrong Bush.
                            Click here if you're having trouble sleeping.
                            "We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large ones." - François de La Rochefoucauld

                            Comment


                            • #29
                              No. He's talking about Bush the Elder. Not boy wonder.

                              -Arrian
                              grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                              The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

                              Comment


                              • #30
                                Oh sorry, that's even more of an easy case to make then! Raised taxes, didn't really care a whit about social issues.
                                “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                                - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X