Why do people care about Superbowl?

[Asher]

Asher, Football is not interesting to me because of the skill involved. Neither is hockey. It's watching the struggle in real time that is exciting. I can't really follow hockey that well because I don't know enough about it to really get what's going on, since it moves too fast to just watch the puck. Football is pretty obvious: Guys in one line, guys in another line, one line trying to move one way and the other line trying to move the other way. It's also slow enough that I can follow it without knowing much about the sport.

I don't really enjoy watching sports, but I'd prefer football over hockey. But it's like music taste, it all boils down to personal preference.

It comes down to what you're exposed to and used to.

Football is a simple game with simple rules that is easy enough to follow that people in the deep southern US can understand it. Thus, it is popular.

[Asher]

By the way, 20 rep bench press at 150lbs as the top NHL combine performer is a ****ing joke. 10.8 reps was the average for the 2010 combine (10.7 reps for the 2009).

I ask anyone in this forum to go to the gym and put 150lbs (the bar is 45lbs so you'll be putting on a 45lb plate and 7.5 on each side for those who don't know) on the bench. Lay down, lift the bar out of the hooks and take it down to were it just touches your chest and back up to full lock-out of the elbows and repeat.

I am certain half this forum could bust out 10 reps at 150lbs. You did it? Good. You're as strong as the average NHL player!

Holy **** that's a ****ing joke.

Holy **** are you ever stupid. Did you seriously not comprehend my posts at all? BRUTE STRENGTH in legs/arms is NOT what NHL players go for. In fact, excessive muscle mass is a DISTINCT DISADVANTAGE to the sport. It makes the players big, slow, and not agile. It's a detriment to the good qualities of a hockey player.

I hope you are starting to see why your metrics are ****ing retarded. Football is all about being strong, that's it. Endurance isn't even an issue, while it's a massive issue in hockey and soccer. Agility in football is minimal, it's essential in hockey. Every NHL player needs to be incredibly fast, most football players do not.

I assume you think Olympic swimmers aren't terrific athletes because they can't bench 600lbs. You're so simple-minded and ignorant, Alby. It's rather pathetic.

[Al B. Sure!]

I'm bumping this because you seem to have ignored it and I totally, I think the word is called, 'pwned' you:

Beautiful. I have the results of the 2010 NHL and NFL combines. Fortunately, some events are shared in both combines.

NHL:

http://www.anaheimcalling.com/2010/5/30/1493683/nhl-draft-combine-fitness-testing

NFL:

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2010/02/2010-nfl-combine-results/

Let's take a look at the measures in common between the leagues.

Bench Press:
The NHL uses a 150lb bench press whereas the NFL uses 225lb.

The top performer at the NHL combine was Harvard's Danny Biega with 20 reps at 150lbs. Biega is listed at 6'0 205lbs.
I decided to take an NFL player who would be around the same size as Biega for comparison. RB Jahvid Best is listed at 5'10 199lbs. He is a little smaller than Biega yet did 18 reps at 225lbs. RB/WR Dexter McCluster is 5'8 172lbs. He is a lot smaller than either but busted out 20 reps at 225lbs.

A 172lb NFL player benched as many reps at 225lbs as the strongest NHL prospect benched at 150lbs.

Advantage: NFL by a long-shot!


Standing Long Jump:

The NHL's top performer was John McFarland and his 116 inch long jump. That's 9'8" jump.
The top NFL RB was Joe McKnight with his 128 inch jump. 10'8". DB Chris Cook hit 11' even.

The best NFL prospect out-jumped the best NHL prospect by a full foot then some!

Advantage: NFL.


Vertical Jump:

The NHL's highest jumper was Jacob Fallon who was measured at a 31.5 inch vertical.
The top RB prospect at the vertical was Montario Hardesty at 40 inches even. Eric Berry had a 43 incher.

The best NFL RB prospect jumped 8.5 inches higher than the best NHL jumper. The best NFL defensiveback had over a foot more air than the NHL's best.

Advantage: NFL by a longshot.


SUM: I WIN ASHER. YOU ARE WRONG!!!!!!

[Asher]

BTW, I'm not going to go through the sites -- where are the football combine vs hockey combine VO2 Max results? Anaerobic fitness results?

[Asher]

I'm bumping this because you seem to have ignored it and I totally, I think the word is called, 'pwned' you:

I was directly responding to that and completely took you to task over your criteria. How on Earth could you get that I "ignored" it?

[Tuberski]

Fast on ice doesn't mean fast on foot.

ACK!

[Al B. Sure!]

Asher:

Holy **** are you ever stupid. Did you seriously not comprehend my posts at all? BRUTE STRENGTH in legs/arms is NOT what NHL players go for. In fact, excessive muscle mass is a DISTINCT DISADVANTAGE to the sport. It makes the players big, slow, and not agile. It's a detriment to the good qualities of a hockey player.

See this guy:



The one on the right obviously. He's Dexter McCluster. That's all 5'8" 172lbs of him.

He benched 225lbs for 20 reps.

The top NHL combine player had 4 inches and 33lbs on McCluster but could only manage 20 reps on the bench press at 150lbs.

HOLY ****. PAY ATTENTION.

[Asher]

Fast on ice doesn't mean fast on foot.

ACK!

Yes.

And **** like the the jump -- seriously, how many times do you see hockey players JUMP?

Alby is so stupid he cannot seem to comprehend that what makes an athlete a good fit for football can, in fact, make him a ****ing awful athlete for hockey. Which is why his whole "hypothetical test" is retarded. Which goes back to my original point...

[Asher]

Asher:



See this guy:



The one on the right obviously. He's Dexter McCluster. That's all 5'8" 172lbs of him.

He benched 225lbs for 20 reps.

The top NHL combine player had 4 inches and 33lbs on McCluster but could only manage 20 reps on the bench press at 150lbs.

HOLY ****. PAY ATTENTION.

What do you not get?

NHL players and football players do not work the same muscles in the same way with the same results. How can you possibly be this stupid?

What muscles do you think are used in a slapshot? What muscles are used in a benchpress?

You seem to have no concept at all that there are different muscles in the body that different sports emphasize.

[Al B. Sure!]

See this guy?



That's Jahvid Best. Best doesn't weigh 200lbs. Best busted out 18 reps at 225.

The top NHL prospect could only do 20 reps at 150lbs.

[Al B. Sure!]

ASHER, YOU JUST ****ING CLAIMED:

Holy **** are you ever stupid. Did you seriously not comprehend my posts at all? BRUTE STRENGTH in legs/arms is NOT what NHL players go for. In fact, excessive muscle mass is a DISTINCT DISADVANTAGE to the sport. It makes the players big, slow, and not agile. It's a detriment to the good qualities of a hockey player.

The Facts:

Jahvid Best and Dexter McCluster are a lot smaller than the strongest NHL player. 33lbs smaller in the case of McCluster.
Both Best and McCluster are A LOT stronger than the strongest NHL player.

You've see the pics. Do McCluster or Best look slow to you? Do they not look agile? Are they big, slow, and not agile, like you said? Yet they are A LOT stronger than the strongest NHL prospect.

[Asher]

See this guy?



That's Jahvid Best. Best doesn't weigh 200lbs. Best busted out 18 reps at 225.

The top NHL prospect could only do 20 reps at 150lbs.

Heh. Yep. Officially moving you well into the "too stupid to live" category.

[Asher]

ASHER, YOU JUST ****ING CLAIMED:



The Facts:

Jahvid Best and Dexter McCluster are a lot smaller than the strongest NHL player. 33lbs smaller in the case of McCluster.
Both Best and McCluster are A LOT stronger than the strongest NHL player.

You've see the pics. Do McCluster or Best look slow to you? Do they not look agile? Are they big, slow, and not agile, like you said? Yet they are A LOT stronger than the strongest NHL prospect.

I'm 100% certain they would be VERY slow on the ice, even with the same level of technical ability as a hockey player. Given his size and weight and upper body strength, he very clearly does not have NEAR the same lower body strength needed to be a fast skater.

Again, you do not seem to comprehend that excessive upper body strength = detriment to hockey players.

The weight of the NHL players are not in their upper bodies. Have you seen their legs?

[Al B. Sure!]

WHAT THE ****?!

NFL PLAYERS ARE STRONGER AND JUMP HIGHER AND FURTHER THAN NHL PLAYERS.

Do you dispute this? If you can agree to this, then we can start to explore other areas of fitness. Unfortunately, there isn't much data about other areas since both league's combines don't have any overlap beyond the measures for bench press, broad jump, and vertical jump.

However, just by looking at the results in those three areas, it's apparent that the NFL has superior players. If those areas did not matter for NHL players then why the **** are they being tested?! Clearly, they must mean something and the NHL and teams think they're good indicators for athletic ability.

[Al B. Sure!]

I'm 100% certain they would be VERY slow on the ice, even with the same level of technical ability as a hockey player. Given his size and weight and upper body strength, he very clearly does not have NEAR the same lower body strength needed to be a fast skater.

Again, you do not seem to comprehend that excessive upper body strength = detriment to hockey players.

The weight of the NHL players are not in their upper bodies. Have you seen their legs?

AND YET MCCLUSTER HAD A 37.5 INCH VERTICAL AND A 9'10" BROAD JUMP. HE BESTED THE BEST OF THE NHL!!!!!!

I THINK MCCLUSTER HAS LEG STRENGTH!!!!