Why do people care about Superbowl?

[Asher]

Well yeah because skating is a ****ing skill. That was what I was saying before.

Yes. Athletes require skill. Hockey requires more skill than football.

Now that we agree, excellent.

And your **** about "leg strength" still kills me. Football players can jump higher, that doesn't mean they have stronger "legs". It means they can jump higher.

I'm certain if you could do a push-test to see how quickly the players could push off laterally, the hockey players would own.

[giblets]

Well yeah because skating is a ****ing skill. That was what I was saying before.

That's why you need to account for the sport-specific skills and any comparison would have to be common and on a level playing field. Fortunately, the NHL and NFL combines test their prospects in three areas in common. That gives some idea of the relative ability of the athletes between the sports. NFL players have greater upper-body and leg strength than NHL players. The NHL doesn't have any data on running speed but it would not be a stretch to say that NFL players also run faster since I highly doubt NHL players have 4.5 or faster 40 yard dash times.

I'm done with you. I've ****ing proved my point with actual data. You have spewed forth prejudiced diarrhea. I have actual stats. You've said vague crap.

Whatever. **** you.

That's like claiming oranges are objectively better than apples because you can compare their vitamin C content. Arbitrarily chosen facts don't make your opinion 'objective'.

[Al B. Sure!]

I'm certain if you could do a push-test to see how quickly the players could push off laterally, the hockey players would own.

I am certain an NFL runningback would crush that. Do you know how critical lateral movement is to them?

Jrabbit, you are checking out the thread and you know a lot about football. What do you think?

[Al B. Sure!]

That's like claiming oranges are objectively better than apples because you can compare their vitamin C content. Arbitrarily chosen facts don't make your opinion 'objective'.

No. It would be like comparing the entire vitamin content of both fruits as well as the nutritional composition and determining which fruit is better per calorie.

Unfortunately, only the bench press, vertical jump, and broad jump are tested in both sports. That's just the extent of what we have for comparison until somebody tests some of these athletes in different areas.

[Asher]

I am certain an NFL runningback would crush that. Do you know how critical lateral movement is to them?

Yeah, almost as important as it is to every NHL player. Except NHL players have to change directions at much faster speeds in shorter times, which takes more muscle.

[Asher]

No. It would be like comparing the entire vitamin content of both fruits as well as the nutritional composition and determining which fruit is better per calorie.

Unfortunately, only the bench press, vertical jump, and broad jump are tested in both sports. That's just the extent of what we have for comparison until somebody tests some of these athletes in different areas.

How can you seriously not comprehend this?

They are tested in both sports, but the goals of how strong those muscles are optimally are VERY different. IT IS A DISADVANTAGE to have someone with the upper body strength to benchpress 50 reps of 250lbs or whatever. That's way too much ****ing upper body mass, it ****s up a hockey player's balance and adds weight, slowing him down.

[Al B. Sure!]

How can you seriously not comprehend this?

They are tested in both sports, but the goals of how strong those muscles are optimally are VERY different. IT IS A DISADVANTAGE to have someone with the upper body strength to benchpress 50 reps of 250lbs or whatever. That's way too much ****ing upper body mass, it ****s up a hockey player's balance and adds weight, slowing him down.

What the hell?

How much does the average hockey player weigh? We've established the average NHL prospect gets 10 reps at 150lbs. How much does he weigh for those measely 10 reps?

Dexter McCluster weighs 172lbs and he busted out 20 reps at 225. Clearly it doesn't take 'excess mass' to get to 20 reps at 225 if a 172lb man who has phenomenal leg strength as well can do it.

[Asher]

I cannot explain it any simpler than I did. You clearly are just too dumb to get hockey.

[Al B. Sure!]

DEXTER MCCLUSTER WEIGHS 172lbs!

Yet at 172lbs, he can bust 20 reps at 225lbs.

WHERE IS THE EXCESS BULK?!



He is compact pure muscle on his small frame. HOW IS THAT NOT AN ADVANTAGE IN ANY SPORT?!

[Asher]

Balance

Have you ever skated, Alby?

[Asher]

Answer me this, Alby...what purpose do you think being able to bench many reps of 250lbs plays in hockey?

[Al B. Sure!]

THIS ISN'T ABOUT HOCKEY!

My entire argument is that a comparison of athletes between sports would show football players are physically superior to the athletes in other sports. The point is to compare them on the same level playing field by considering specific measurables... 100m dash time, 10K run time, maximum back squat, vertical jump, etc.

Take the sport out of the athletics and compare them as pure athletes.

[Asher]

THIS ISN'T ABOUT HOCKEY!

My entire argument is that a comparison of athletes between sports would show football players are physically superior to the athletes in other sports. The point is to compare them on the same level playing field by considering specific measurables... 100m dash time, 10K run time, maximum back squat, vertical jump, etc.

Take the sport out of the athletics and compare them as pure athletes.

Haha. Yeah, you're hopelessly clueless.

Do you still not understand that your categories are based on the strengths of NFL players?

Compare endurance, compare back strength, compare ab strength, compare oblique strength, compare lateral movement, compare balance, compare hand/eye coordination... you conveniently leave all of these critical aspects of other sports out. Why?

[Egbert]

I have no idea how one would compare a marathon runner to a high jumper in a meaningful way. One may easily find ones self using measures that are relevant to one sport but not the other, or maybe neither sport (worst case scenario of course).

Anyway, what would be the point?

[Al B. Sure!]

Meanwhile, you're saying so much **** that doesn't make any sense.

You're saying that it's bad for hockey players to be strong. That is retarded. You can never be 'too strong' in ANY sport. The issue comes up when that strength is inefficient; that is, the bulk necessary to support the next marginal increase in strength offsets the gains that can be achieved with that strength. In that case, it is understandable how a 180lb player in any sport who can only bench 150lb 10 times would be better than a 225lb player who can bench 150lbs 20 times. That extra strength may not be worth the extra heft.

However, the example of Dexter McCluster shows that an NFL RB is stronger than the strongest NHL players WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY being smaller! What does that mean? That means that an NHL player could be as strong as McCluster AND as small as him at the same time. It would be physically possible since McCluster does it (and McCluster isn't even a physical stud, by the way! He's just the smallest of the 2010 RB class).

So all your talk about oh! It's too strong for hockey! is complete bull****. If you can get a guy to be as strong as McCluster while being as small as he is, that's what you want!

This talk of excess bulk affecting balance is meaningless when McCluster is small even by NHL standards!