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Originally posted by ricketyclik
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This is a good place to start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Ruddiman -
That is true. I am basing my statement purely on my own observations of the last 10 years, and the fact that the highest frequencies occur in 2005 and 2010, the hottest years. Actuaries seem to agree with me though - if you look at some of the links thrown up by the search I suggested.Originally posted by BlackCat View PostComment
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Pure BS - well, excuse my language. AGW is supposed to be caused by burning coal and oil starting somewhere around 1890. Claming that the invention of agriculture are to be the cause is plainly idiotic.Originally posted by ricketyclik View Post
About the saource ? Well, if NOAA can't be considered as a "pretty reliable" source, I don't know what you would consider reliable.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven WeinbergComment
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No offense, but basing your argumentation on actuaries is idiotic. Yes damages measured in money has raised pretty much, but that is obvious. If you build housings in areas prone to hurricanes then the damages rise, but only because people build in dangerous places - that is why hurricanes in US has become "worse".Originally posted by ricketyclik View PostWith or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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You are putting words in to my mouth (common denialist tactic). Read the Ruddiman link. Also, read what I've written on the subject earlier in the thread more carefully.Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
What's more, a substantial proportion (in Australia's case, the majority) or GG emissions are from clearing and agriculture. The invention of agriculture was the start. The industrial revolution was, and is, the exponential acceleration.Comment
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I'm not specifically referring to US hurricanes, and if you read any of the actuaries' reports you will see that they acknowledge the increased human habitation component, but also believe severe weather events to be on the rise.Originally posted by BlackCat View PostLast edited by ricketyclik; February 11, 2011, 20:13. Reason: Greater precision by adding the acronym "US"Comment
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I'm a bit confused - what are you trying to say ?Originally posted by Oerdin View PostWith or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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The claim made earlier was that CO2 concentrations have been going up since the the invention of agriculture. We don't have data (at least I have not seen it) going back that far but we do have data based on ice cores going back to at least 1000AD and that data does not support the claim that CO2 has been steadily rising since the invention of agriculture. Instead we see it shooting up after about 1825 which was right about when industrialization started to take off.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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Considering atlantic hurricanes there are NO evidence that they are either more frequent, nor stronger. As far as I know the same goes for all other weather occurences around the world. If you think that you have any kind of documentation of the opposite, then please post references toOriginally posted by ricketyclik View Post
such - your suggestion to make a google isn't a such.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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Sorry if I may have sound rude - I'm both drunk, watching TV and writing hereOriginally posted by Oerdin View Post
Good point, but do you really not know the vostok core data ? They go pretty way back.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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Pre-industrial agriculture was certainly a relatively small effect, but it's not all FF burning...Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
That one's not showing for me, so here's another copy:
Note that that's land use change alone, look at all of the other agricultural sources.The main sources of greenhouse gases due to human activity are:- burning of fossil fuels and deforestation leading to higher carbon dioxide concentrations in the air. Land use change (mainly deforestation in the tropics) account for up to one third of total anthropogenic CO2 emissions.
- livestock enteric fermentation and manure management, paddy rice farming, land use and wetland changes, pipeline losses, and covered vented landfill emissions leading to higher methane atmospheric concentrations. Many of the newer style fully vented septic systems that enhance and target the fermentation process also are sources of atmospheric methane.
- use of chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) in refrigeration systems, and use of CFCs and halons in fire suppression systems and manufacturing processes.
- agricultural activities, including the use of fertilizers, that lead to higher nitrous oxide (N2O) concentrations.
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