The day part of the Internet died: Egypt goes dark

[Zevico]

Well, since the west supports Israeli governments with Shas and Liebermann (who spout equal ****) there is no reason to get into a sissi fit.

Neither call for the wholesale genocide of or war with another people. They are not morally equivalent. Foreign Policy wise they are presently insignificant. Domestic policy also. Also lieberman is more moderate than presented in the media and shas is pretty much for sale to anyone with the willingness to subsidise ubemployed haredim. Not ideal but not a totalitarian movement. So why the sissy fit?

[germanos]

Neither call for the wholesale genocide of or war with another people. They are not morally equivalent.

Get off your high horse.

Fromwiki:

In November 2006, Lieberman, who described Arab members of the Knesset that meet with Hamas as "terror collaborators", called for their execution: "World War II ended with the Nuremburg Trials. The heads of the Nazi regime, along with their collaborators, were executed. I hope this will be the fate of the collaborators in [the Knesset]."

In 1998, news reports stated that Lieberman suggested the bombing of the Aswan Dam in retaliation for Egyptian support for Yasser Arafat.[76][77] In 2001, reports stated that he told a group of ambassadors from the Former Soviet Union that if Egypt and Israel were ever to face off militarily again, that Israel could bomb the Aswan Dam.

Following a series of terrorist attacks on Israelis perpetrated by Palestinian terrorists during a three-day period in March 2002, Lieberman proposed issuing an ultimatum to the Palestinian Authority to halt all terror activity or face wide-ranging attacks. He said, "if it were up to me I would notify the Palestinian Authority that tomorrow at ten in the morning we would bomb all their places of business in Ramallah, for example."

In July 2003, reacting to a commitment made by Ariel Sharon to the US, where amnesty could be given to approximately 350 Palestinian prisoners including members of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, Lieberman rejected a chance to participate in the related committee and said "It would be better to drown these prisoners in the Dead Sea if possible, since that's the lowest point in the world,"

FYI, this guy is currently the Israeli Minister of Foreign Affairs and Deputy Prime Minister of Israel.


I do not wish the Muslim Brotherhood to reign Egypt but yes I do feel that all the fuzz about them in the light of the current situation in Egypt can be largely qualified as scaremongering.

[Zevico]

1. Lieberman does not have ultimate say on policy. That's netabyahu. Deputy pm and fm
Are symbolic roles. Hes shut out of the big decisions.
2. Places of business of the authority not ordinary palestimians. The PA has been at war with israel for some time now. It is frank about it in arabic. That egypt has been in a cold war-peace with israel is plain enough. Doubtful that l. Would ever follow through vs egypt as pa is separate problem. Statement intended to point out present reality of war. Not actual call to strike dam.
3.hyperbole re prisoners does not suggest anything other than unwillimgness to release them in a pointless exchange.

[Zevico]

Brotherhood is the only organised opposition. They are dangerous. But future outcomes unknown.

Re israel beitenu. See their website for further details of their views and platform.http://www.beytenu.org/

[germanos]

1. Lieberman does not have ultimate say on policy. That's netabyahu. Deputy pm and fm
Are symbolic roles. Hes shut out of the big decisions.
2. Places of business of the authority not ordinary palestimians. The PA has been at war with israel for some time now. It is frank about it in arabic. That egypt has been in a cold war-peace with israel is plain enough. Doubtful that l. Would ever follow through vs egypt as pa is separate problem. Statement intended to point out present reality of war. Not actual call to strike dam.
3.hyperbole re prisoners does not suggest anything other than unwillimgness to release them in a pointless exchange.

a) Muslim Brotherhood have not the ultimate say on policy. In fact, they have no say at all at the moment. Perhaps they will get some votes and get the ministry of Foreign Affairs and a vice-presidency. Those are symbolic positions. They will be shut out of major decisions.
b) The hyperboles of the Muslim Brothers etc. etc.

Poor, poor showing Zevico.

[germanos]

related (to Arab unrest/democracy) vid



I've actually met Syrian Consul

[C0ckney]

1. Lieberman does not have ultimate say on policy. That's netabyahu. Deputy pm and fm
Are symbolic roles. Hes shut out of the big decisions.
2. Places of business of the authority not ordinary palestimians. The PA has been at war with israel for some time now. It is frank about it in arabic. That egypt has been in a cold war-peace with israel is plain enough. Doubtful that l. Would ever follow through vs egypt as pa is separate problem. Statement intended to point out present reality of war. Not actual call to strike dam.
3.hyperbole re prisoners does not suggest anything other than unwillimgness to release them in a pointless exchange.

if this and calling people names is the best you can do then you should give up now.

as for the muslim brotherhood, you might do better to look at their actual actions instead of the scaremongers trying to paint them as the taliban. for example how they have behaved in the eygptian parliament, where they have acted like a real opposition holding the NDP to account. also their actions during the protests, for example guarding copts as they prayed in a show of solidarity. the muslim brotherhood is a fairly moderate organisation by most people's standards.

the muslim brotherhood is going to play a part in eygpt's future because it is a well organised group but also, crucially, because it has significant popular support.

[DinoDoc]

I'm glad you've risen above merely calling writers ****s as a way of dismissing their arguments, Cockney.

[DaShi]

Someday we can hope for as much from you, DD.

[Heraclitus]

You do realize that the Copts (or any christian) are not apostate.

Secular society benefits persecuted religious minorities. One needs to go all the way to the extremes of state enforced atheism (ala the old USSR or China) to have a irreligious regime be bad for religious minorities.

[SpencerH]

Secular society benefits persecuted religious minorities. One needs to go all the way to the extremes of state enforced atheism (ala the old USSR or China) to have a irreligious regime be bad for religious minorities.

Mea culpa. For some reason I commented on the trivial detail of apostasy from the figure rather than focussing on the gist of your comment (which, in general, I agree with). Unless Iran changes its course during the next few years, there will certainly be a great impetous for the middle eastern countries (minus Israel of course) to become virtual theocracies.

[C0ckney]

I'm glad you've risen above merely calling writers ****s as a way of dismissing their arguments, Cockney.

you know usually i'd be annoyed with someone telling blatant and offensive lies about me, but coming from you i couldn't care less. you have zero credibility.

[DinoDoc]

you know usually i'd be annoyed with someone telling blatant and offensive lies about me, but coming from you i couldn't care less. you have zero credibility.

I'm sorry but initially dismissing initially someone's argument solely because they are a Jew leads me to wonder where the lie was. I'm just glad you eventually came up with a better argument.

[C0ckney]

[I] wonder where the lie was.

you can't read your own posts then? well luckily, this is the internet, so everyone else can see what you wrote.

[DinoDoc]

you can't read your own posts then?

The problem is that I can read your racist post perfectly well.