WikiLeaks' First Scalp -- Tunisia

[Elok]

Hell, the Palestinian Authority is pretty democratic as well. They vote, have a president, a parliament, etc.

But it's not a democracy if they vote to do stuff we don't like. Duh!

[Elok]

Oh, and the list of countries where democracy is workable is the list of countries where the people want self-determination enough to fight for it themselves.

[Wezil]

I seem to recall the liberal folks being the ones criticizing Bush for "spreading democracy" to Iraq and Afghanistan.

There is a world of difference between imposing a democracy on a population and supporting a people that rose up for their freedom.

[DanS]

The Republican c*nts in the White House want to slash the US deficits

Who are these Republicans in the White House?

[Elok]

I just sort of passed over that, automatically substituting "congress" for WH.

[Wezil]

The news takes a while to reach Wales.

Just wait till he hears Bush won a second term.

[DinoDoc]

This Egyptians can't govern themselves undercurrent is pretty sickening. And preventing democratic rule is just going to be horrible for the US's short and long term reputation in the region.

Preventing democratic rule? Don't be stupid. The argument here is that America owes the Egyptian people the same thing they gave the Iranian people during their uprising: silence.

[DanS]

It's a little different in Egypt than Iran. The US gives a couple billion dollars a year to Egypt, as an example.

[notyoueither]

Not surprised that HC thinks arab peoples are a bunch of goat ****ers who can't be permitted to govern themselves

Don't hold it against him. We remain convinced about Yanks, and you lot haven't done a lot lately to dispel the misgivings.

[MOBIUS]

I just sort of passed over that, automatically substituting "congress" for WH.

You all know what I mean - even I am capable of meaning one thing and typing another...

Anyway, the Republicans want to cut the deficit as quickly as possible, so why not cut the money to Israel? Seems like a win-win situation to me.

[MOBIUS]

QFT. MOBIUS seems insistent on failing to realize that the opposition in Egypt would basically turn the country into the next Iran or Lebanon--a state sponsor of terrorism or a state run by terrorism. As it stands we have a solid ally in the Middle East who is remarkably more liberalized than his radical Muslim opposition.

You don't have the first clue about the situation in Egypt. In fact the only reason the fearmongering that you're talking about is even conceivable is because the US has been propping up a dictator for the last 30 years, you ****ing ******...

[DinoDoc]

You don't have the first clue about the situation in Egypt. In fact the only reason the fearmongering that you're talking about is even conceivable is because the US has been propping up a dictator for the last 30 years, you ****ing ******...

What exactly do you envision happening in a sudden collapse of the Mubarak regime when the largest and best organized opposition group is the Muslim Brotherhood which gave birth to Hamas? Sweetness and light?

[Heraclitus]

What exactly do you envision happening in a sudden collapse of the Mubarak regime when the largest and best organized opposition group is the Muslim Brotherhood which gave birth to Hamas? Sweetness and light?

Two legs bad, four legs good

get with the program man.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

we are getting ready for 2012... first they get an extremist govenment in Tunis, than in Egypt... and with Egyptian leadership Arabs declare new war on Israel, who promptly nukes them all, disrupting world supply of oil, and that is just the start.

[HalfLotus]

So far, WikiLeaks may be a net positive to American foreign policy, via Facebook. This one moved very fast...

Seeing that Wikileaks' global political interests seem to mirror those of the US, I'd expect to see a lot more of it.

"Our primary interests are oppressive regimes in Asia, the former Soviet bloc, Sub-Saharan Africa and the Middle East

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