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  • Originally posted by Wezil View Post
    Provide an example of where you think democracy is workable.
    The United States. Canada. The UK. India. Australia. Germany. France. Israel. Switzerland. Denmark. Finland. Norway. Sweden. Japan. South Korea. Singapore. Taiwan. South Africa...

    I can go on.
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    • Great. All current democracies.

      So if you aren't a democracy you can't be a democracy?

      Need I remind you the US wasn't a democracy...until it was.
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      • How would democracy in Israel work?

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        • Originally posted by Wezil View Post
          Great. All current democracies.
          Well he listed Singapore, which isn't exactly a democracy. It probably has something to do with his belief that rich people are superior.

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          • I'm sure many Brits thought you weren't able to govern yourselves.

            Many still do.
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            • Originally posted by gribbler View Post
              Well he listed Singapore, probably because of his belief that rich people are superior
              Yeah, I wasn't going to quibble with the borderline examples. His point was clear.
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              • Originally posted by Wezil View Post
                I'm sure many Brits thought you weren't able to govern yourselves.

                Many still do.
                It took a while for the US to get something resembling democracy, but I guess HC would have dismissed the idea back then. After all black people can't take care of themselves, right?

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                • You aren't making an argument.
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                  • This Clash of Civilizations nonsense that HC is spouting is just plain wrong.

                    Turkey and Lebanon are Middle Eastern democracies

                    If they can do it (and even with constant Israeli and Syrian meddling in Lebanon), there's no reason to think Islam is somehow incompatible with democracy.


                    Hell, the Palestinian Authority is pretty democratic as well. They vote, have a president, a parliament, etc.
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                    • Lebanon is not a democracy. Don't kid yourself. Turkey's a special case, and I conceded there are places in the middle east where democracy does work. But the number is minute compared to the times a horrible dictator has been replaced by an even worse one following an election.
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                      • This Egyptians can't govern themselves undercurrent is pretty sickening. And preventing democratic rule is just going to be horrible for the US's short and long term reputation in the region.
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                        • Right, because supporting democracy in Gaza was a great idea. Imran, give me an example where the US propping up democracy has helped. I seem to recall the liberal folks being the ones criticizing Bush for "spreading democracy" to Iraq and Afghanistan.
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                          • not stomp != prop up

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                            • I want to know why Lebanon isn't a democracy. And how much of it not being a democracy is because of anything internal or because of meddling by Syria and Israel.

                              I also want to explore what other cultures are incompatible with democracy. Spain, Portugal, Brazil, and all of Latin America have had long histories of dictatorships, coups, revolutions, and very little democracy. Is the Iberian culture, like the Arab culture, also anti-democracy?

                              What about Slavic?

                              Why is South Korea on your list of democracies? Why is Korean culture favorable to democracy in South Korea but not in North Korea?

                              Why is Japan favorable to democracy? You go back before 1945 and you'd be hard-pressed to see those guys developing a successful democratic process in the near-future.
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                              "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                              • And, of course, the US's propping up of dictators sure worked well in Iran, Iraq, and Pakistan.
                                “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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