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Originally posted by Asher
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Not as exceedingly trivial as sending a cop to a post office. Or maybe it is as exceedingly trivial. Does it matter? The government could do it pretty easily, so what exactly is new?If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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It's actually moreso. They don't even need to leave the room...Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
A couple keystrokes and they can monitor traffic through your ISP.
I also regret that I need to remind you that mail was not the only communication medium used 50 years ago. Now they can get VOIP, cellphones, IM, email, video conferences, home phones...all over the magic of TCP/IP."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Yeah, it was really hard to wiretap phones back then too.
cough watergateIf there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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Oh, dear God, I think I just won the thread officially now.Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
Do you even know anything about watergate? Not that it at all applies to your argument.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Are you really trying to draw a parallel here to wiretapping?
That is, of course, the natural analogy.
1) Everyone knows you can wiretap. This they kept secret.
So if you knew that the government had backdoors in every known encryption scheme, it would be okay?
2) The government never disclosed this capability, and to my knowledge it has never been used in court. Do you think the government does not use backdoors they may have at all? Dream on. The naive excuse that they'd still need a search warrant is laughable, considering the reckless disregard the US government has had for personal rights over the past decade.
So the argument is not that this, specifically, is problematic; the argument is that ALL search powers are problematic (even longstanding ones) because of a [purportedly recent] lack of internal safeguards and external accountability...
... which is precisely the point I made. Thank you.Comment
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Key observation about watergate:Originally posted by Asher View PostDo you even know anything about watergate? Not that it at all applies to your argument.
The bad guys got caught.If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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I also regret that I need to remind you that mail was not the only communication medium used 50 years ago. Now they can get VOIP, cellphones, IM, email, video conferences, home phones...all over the magic of TCP/IP.
The government has always been able to intercept all communications. For a brief period, it looked like that would end. Now, allegedly, we are back to... the same situation as before.Comment
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The police need to get explicit permissions from the courts to engage wiretaps, do they not?
This backdoor is there all the time.
Can you please link me to the court ruling specifying this is legal?
Are government actions in Canada generally presumed illegal until tested in court? I suspect neither the Canadian nor American courts would rule this illegal. Actually collecting the data without a warrant, probably, but not inserting the technical capability.Comment
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Indeed. Most Republicans get away.Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
This Republican was so stupid he taped his own conversations.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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No, it's not. The natural analogy is the US government having a skeleton key. Without the knowledge or consent of the people who use those locks.Originally posted by Kuciwalker View Post
Stopped reading your post right there.So if you knew that the government had backdoors in every known encryption scheme, it would be okay?
Please stop using 9th grade fallacies."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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I don't think it's too much to ask that obviously invasive actions by the government are illegal until proven otherwise.Originally posted by Kuciwalker View Post
But then again, I'm a true American who believes in freedom. Not this rape-me-mister-man Republican ****."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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No, it's not. The natural analogy is the US government having a skeleton key. Without the knowledge or consent of the people who use those locks.
Such a key would not enable any more privacy violations than already possible; it just might reduce external accountability... which again leads you to supporting my thesis. Thank you.
Stopped reading your post right there.
See, it's okay that you don't read my posts, since you don't actually have enough real intelligence (as opposed to focused study in your narrow portion of software development) to understand them. Since you don't understand encryption or random number generation, it shouldn't be surprising that you don't understand the legal issues surrounding them either.Comment
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I don't think it's too much to ask that obviously invasive actions by the government are illegal until proven otherwise.
Feel free to move to a country that has such a standard.Comment
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Isn't the world just awesome when you just randomly decide **** orthogonal to reality?Originally posted by Kuciwalker View Post
I find it fascinating you continually try to slam me for saying I've got "focused study" in a narrow portion of software development. You're essentially calling me an idiot savant.See, it's okay that you don't read my posts, since you don't actually have enough real intelligence (as opposed to focused study in your narrow portion of software development) to understand them. Since you don't understand encryption or random number generation, it shouldn't be surprising that you don't understand the legal issues surrounding them either.
Yet, I believe I've demonstrated myself to be far more well-rounded than you on these forums. You only debate in the technical (where you almost always lose) or the financial (where you merely suck KH's virtual ****).
It's quite clear to me that it is you that is narrowly focused on mathematics and its applied forms. Computer science, actuarial studies, quant finance... do you know anything else?"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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In an intelligence argument between you and Kuciwalker, I think neither of you win...
If this post hadn't followed about a month's worth of posts blindly slamming the US government for anything vaguely secretive regardless of merit, it's plausible I might have taken this thread seriously for at least a few minutes.
Just admit you have an ax to grind about the USA.If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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