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[Al B. Sure!]

Yes, I also noticed that Kuci deliberately chose not to use it because he was trying to make the state funding numbers smaller.

So then it's 10.3% from the state, and 30.8% from tuition. The Academics one makes his point with regards to tuition as a primary source of revenue more compelling since 30.8% > 17.6%

A better response is that UVA is not representative of public institutions since it is the #2 ranked public school and has a massive endowment. I think Temple's 25% from the state is more representative of how state universities are funded.

[Asher]

So then it's 10.3% from the state, and 30.8% from tuition. The Academics one makes his point with regards to tuition as a primary source of revenue more compelling since 30.8% > 17.6%

Tuition is also the primary source of revenue for Canadian public universities.

His argument wasn't that of PRIMARY, it was "ALMOST FULLY FUNDED" by tuition. It's CLEAR that tuition is always WAY less than 50% of total funding, even at his cherry-picked UVA, so he wasn't even in the right ballpark.

[Hauldren Collider]

Oh my goodness Asher.

When you consider how much more valuable a high school diploma from the US is worth than a high school diploma in most other countries, our graduation rate makes a lot more sense. And also when you consider our immigrant population that doesn't speak English at home.

Also, look at the high school graduation rates of individual states. You're including some of the crap parts of the country as well (which are still great compared to the vast majority of the planet). Virginia for example has an excellent education system, one of the best in the nation

[Hauldren Collider]

cherry-picked UVA

I'm pretty sure Kuciwalker picked UVA because it's a well known university from his home state that both our parents attended.

[Asher]

Oh my goodness Asher.

When you consider how much more valuable a high school diploma from the US is worth than a high school diploma in most other countries, our graduation rate makes a lot more sense.

It's not any more valuable than virtually any other western country.

[Jon Miller]

The high school education in the US is worse than most European high school educations.

http://www.all4ed.org/files/IntlComp_FactSheet.pdf

JM

[notyoueither]

I'll go out on a limb and say it is likely worse than most OECD.

[KrazyHorse]

NO!

This is Texas State University's breakdown, which I'm assuming isn't an outlier:



It's not ideal but it's the best I could quickly find. Still shows what role tuition plays even without considering gifts and research grants.

Looks to be ~50% tuition + fees (the distinction isn't particularly meaningful) and 30% state subsidies (?)

The rest comes from sales & services, but I don't know precisely what that covers.

Also, I don't see the university's endowment income anywhere on that chart.

For comparison, McGill's operating budget is funded by ~30% tuition & fees, ~60% direct subsidy, and the rest coming from endowment, sales and research grants

[Jon Miller]

Sales and services probably includes things like selling school shirts or seats at games.

JM

[Al B. Sure!]

Looks to be ~50% tuition + fees (the distinction isn't particularly meaningful) and 30% state subsidies (?)

The rest comes from sales & services, but I don't know precisely what that covers.

Also, I don't see the university's endowment income anywhere on that chart.

For comparison, McGill's operating budget is funded by ~30% tuition & fees, ~60% direct subsidy, and the rest coming from endowment, sales and research grants

So Kuci was wrong in claiming that nearly all of a state university's budget comes from tuition, right, KH?

I suspect sales consist of the sales of books, merchandise, sporting event tickets, etc.

[KrazyHorse]

Sales and services probably includes things like selling school shirts or seats at games.

JM

20% seems high though. That's why I'm a bit skeptical

[KrazyHorse]

So Kuci was wrong in claiming that nearly all of a state university's budget comes from tuition, right, KH?

I suspect sales consist of the sales of books, merchandise, sporting event tickets, etc.

I haven't been following the discussion. AFAIK, public universities in the US generally don't cover more than ~50% of costs through tuition&fees, which is in line with the example you gave.

[Kuciwalker]

So Kuci was wrong in claiming that nearly all of a state university's budget comes from tuition, right, KH?

I suspect sales consist of the sales of books, merchandise, sporting event tickets, etc.

Dude, the point was quite clearly the relatively low state subsidy - so yes, I wrongly said "tuition" when I should have said "tuition and all of the other fees the university collects from its various operations, as opposed to direct government outlays"

[Kuciwalker]

20% seems high though. That's why I'm a bit skeptical

This is Texas, they like their football...

[KrazyHorse]

TSU, not UT. Remember that...