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  • There is a vast difference between the REASON people do things and the EFFECT their actions have. There is even more difference between the reason people SAY they do things and the effect their actions have.

    I go to work every day mostly because I want money. However, the effect of me going to work is that my employer is provided services it finds valuable. The reason my employer does what it does is to make money for its shareholders, but the effect it has is to make it easier and cheaper for other companies and individuals to access the capital markets. Perhaps I could start a company which was to be run as a non-profit with the intent of doing precisely this. Would this company do a better or worse job of it than my for-profit employer? If we took donations from others to provide this improved access, what type of services would we provide, to who, and how would this compare with the socially optimal allocation of resources?
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    • You'd get government grants and public donations to empower Albie to put his hand up the backside of the US administration and have Congress declare Led Zeppelin a terrorist organization.

      Personally, I'd be in favour of this outcome since I never really liked their music anyway.
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      • and she's buyuyuying the staiaiaiarway to heavaaan.

        Oh, go to Hell already!
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        • I have no strong feelings about LZ, but do mildly enjoy a couple of their songs. Stairway is admittedly obnoxious.
          12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
          Stadtluft Macht Frei
          Killing it is the new killing it
          Ultima Ratio Regum

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          • I'm being harsher than they deserve, but to me back in the day their fans were like the plague of Emos are to Asher
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            • Most of their music was made well before I was born
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              Stadtluft Macht Frei
              Killing it is the new killing it
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              • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                The way college education is currently subsidized in the US however seems to have the effect of raising college prices just like any other subsidy, but you eventually have to pay the full price.
                I'm fairly certain it's been demonstrated that the total cost of things like post-secondary education and health care in the US are much higher than countries with more public subsidies.
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                • If that's the case, then it's because the US education system is superior.

                  Or more inefficient, but I find superior to be more likely.
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                  • "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

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                    • Why else would people be willing to pay a higher price for it?
                      If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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                      • does healthcare cost so much more in the US than in other developed countries because it's so much better, or for other reasons?
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                        • We spend truckloads on health care and still end up with a lower life expectancy and higher infant mortality than other developed countries. USA

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                          • Originally posted by C0ckney View Post
                            does healthcare cost so much more in the US than in other developed countries because it's so much better, or for other reasons?
                            Given that huge numbers of foreigners are desperate to pay our post-secondary costs ...

                            It's just not really disputable that the US has the premiere post-secondary system, by far.
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                            • Originally posted by Kuciwalker View Post
                              Given that huge numbers of foreigners are desperate to pay our post-secondary costs ...

                              It's just not really disputable that the SU has the premiere post-secondary system, by far.
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                              • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                                Why else would people be willing to pay a higher price for it?


                                Are you serious?

                                You don't really have much choice, do you? If you move to another country to study at their schools, you don't qualify for their public subsidies.

                                Americans going to school in Canada pay far, far more than Canadian students do.

                                And for health care -- why else would people be willing to pay a higher price for it indeed? They could just as easily go to Mexico and get their surgeries!
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