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[Kuciwalker]

Asher, are you even going to try? Or are you deliberately playing the sophist in our little "showing how the American post-secondary education system is good" dialogue?

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[Kuciwalker]

This sounds like bull****, considering ASU's non-resident rate is $10200.

Explain how that implies that ASU isn't financed by tuition.

[Al B. Sure!]

Fun American educational facts:

Only 78% of students graduate from high school, one of the lowest rates in the developed world. (Canada is 87%, by comparison)

The US is ranked 15th out of 29 developed nations for college completion rates, just ahead of MEXICO and TURKEY. (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_the_United_States )

This is largely because the younger generation just isn't going to college like the prior ones.

The US was ranked 2nd in college completion rates in the 35-64 category. Behind only Canada.

Where are you getting 78% of students graduate from high school? Everywhere I'm seeing says 88-90% of students graduate from high school,

[Asher]

Asher, are you even going to try? Or are you deliberately playing the sophist in our little "showing how the American post-secondary education system is good" dialogue?

xpost

You made the claim that it has one of the highest rates of post-secondary education in the world. This is false.

It is only true if you include EVERY COUNTRY in the world like Uganda rather than just developed nations, where the US is in the bottom half.

[Asher]

Explain how that implies that ASU isn't financed by tuition.

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ASU is financed by tuition and public subsidies. Just like public schools are in Canada.

Why else would non-residents pay 2 1/2 times as much?

[Al B. Sure!]

Your public schools in Canada are financed by the government, yes? In the US most public schools get almost all of their funding from tuition. So, sure, it's cheaper for the consumer when the government picks up the tab!

NO!

This is Texas State University's breakdown, which I'm assuming isn't an outlier:



It's not ideal but it's the best I could quickly find. Still shows what role tuition plays even without considering gifts and research grants.

[Kuciwalker]

The US is ranked 15th out of 29 developed nations for college completion rates, just ahead of MEXICO and TURKEY. (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_the_United_States )

Specifically, this ranking includes degrees from institutions in other countries that correspond to trade schools in the US.

[Asher]

Where are you getting 78% of students graduate from high school? Everywhere I'm seeing says 88-90% of students graduate from high school,

There's tons out there. Use google.

This state by state breakdown is illuminating:
http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/cr_baeo_t1.htm

[Kuciwalker]

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ASU is financed by tuition and public subsidies. Just like public schools are in Canada.

Why else would non-residents pay 2 1/2 times as much?

This is just a massive non sequitur, Asher. There's no reason that the out-of-state tuition can't be what's subsidizing the in-state tuition.

[Asher]

The US is ranked 15th out of 29 developed nations for college completion rates, just ahead of MEXICO and TURKEY. (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_the_United_States )

Specifically, this ranking includes degrees from institutions in other countries that correspond to trade schools in the US.

It includes 2-year diplomas, yes. This constitutes post-secondary education.

[Asher]

This is just a massive non sequitur, Asher. There's no reason that the out-of-state tuition can't be what's subsidizing the in-state tuition.

Holy **** are you ever ignorant.

I get into two finance debates with you and I wipe the floor in both?

How can you not know STATE universities are subsidized by the STATE?

[Al B. Sure!]

There's tons out there. Use google.

This state by state breakdown is illuminating:
http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/cr_baeo_t1.htm

Why is that list completely different from this one?

State Master

[Asher]

Why is that list completely different from this one?

State Master

Obviously because they are not the same metrics?

Mine was high school dropout rate, yours is % of population 25 and up with a HS diploma or equivalent (GED).

[Kuciwalker]

NO!

This is Texas State University's breakdown, which I'm assuming isn't an outlier:



It's not ideal but it's the best I could quickly find. Still shows what role tuition plays even without considering gifts and research grants.

I have no idea how "registration fees" are meaningfully different from tuition for purposes of this issue. Moreover, sales are not government subsidies. So if we assume "appropriations" refers to appropriations by the legislature you've got it at roughly 1/3. Moreover, it's not clear why a single data point is an appropriate sample...

Also, research grants primarily finance... research, AS. That's basically orthogonal.

[Asher]

Here we go again. Squirm, deflect, condescend...