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[MikeH]

The point is that argument works for us. You have no reasonable basis for what you believe. You're just a stupid (religious) herd animal.

[Lorizael]

You can keep saying things like that if you like but you're only proving my point. I'm not even arguing that I'm right, although I have faith that I am. What I'm saying is that you're wrong because your ideas are stupid. You're the ones who are claiming to be so smart. It doesn't matter how many of you say "we're smart and Kid is stupid." If all you do is repeat that without showing that you are smart you only prove that I'm right, that you have no reasonable basis for what you believe, that you are all stupid herd animals.

We couldn't possibly "prove" to you that we are right, though, because you believe that right = agreeing with you.

[rah]

Y I'm not even arguing that I'm right, although I have faith that I am.

Then I don't think you can argue that we're not right. You can have faith in that though.

[MikeH]

Yes. You want to believe that we're wrong, you've convinced yourself we're wrong, but you have no basis for it.

[Kidlicious]

The point is that argument works for us.

Then you are too stupid to know what the question is. I already know that it works for you. I want to know why.

[Kidlicious]

We couldn't possibly "prove" to you that we are right, though, because you believe that right = agreeing with you.

I'm not asking you to prove it. All I'm asking you to do is present a reasonable argument like some of you have promised.

[Kidlicious]

Then I don't think you can argue that we're not right.

I can't argue that you're not right if you don't present your reasoning for examination. Present your reasoning then I expect to be able to argue that you are wrong. I can though question whether you have reasoning or not.

[rah]

That's not quite fair. You don't have to present an argument because you've been conditioned by god to believe what you do. And if we don't agree with you, we can't possibly understand.
It makes no sense for us to present anything to you because you have faith that we are wrong. Seems like a waste of time to me.

[Elok]

I think the only reason that's being posted is because Ben isn't here anymore. Don't forget the craziness of Ben.

The thing that bothered me (and, I thought, most people) about BK wasn't his craziness but his fundamental dishonesty. He would make up random crap as "evidence" for his POV, move goalposts whenever it suited him, employ strawmen without a hint of shame, and redefine the entire argument on a whim. And the hell of it was, when confronted he would act totally shocked and baffled, like he had no idea what you meant. I figured he'd just been lying as a form of argument for so long that he no longer even noticed he was doing it. He may have even been genuinely emotionally disturbed.

I can't even tell what argument Kid is trying to make here--it seems to have degenerated into his repeatedly saying something like "I know you are, but what am I?"--but he's no BK.

[Kidlicious]

That's not quite fair. You don't have to present an argument because you've been conditioned by god to believe what you do. And if we don't agree with you, we can't possibly understand.
It makes no sense for us to present anything to you because you have faith that we are wrong. Seems like a waste of time to me.

A waste of time! Look, you aren't getting anywhwere. All you are doing is the same exact thing that you are accusing me of, but you're calling me stupid and yourself smart. You all can't possibly be this stupid are you?

[Lorizael]

I'm not asking you to prove it. All I'm asking you to do is present a reasonable argument like some of you have promised.

I've already presented a very reasonable argument.

The mere fact that "gut feelings" happen to be right sometimes is not a good justification for basing your entire worldview on a gut feeling.

To begin, gut feelings in and of themselves to not provide a method of discriminating between multiple gut feelings, so it's impossible to know if one hunch is absolute truth about the universe and the other is just a paranoid delusion.

Beyond that, however, is the fact that there are plenty of ways of reaching conclusions that are right sometimes, but not because they are actually good at reaching conclusions.

For example, suppose I wake up tomorrow morning and decide to flip a coin to see whether or not I should take an umbrella to work. Heads I do; tails I don't. If heads comes up, and it happens to be raining, then I correctly took an umbrella to work, but did I do it for the right reason?

Seeing how flipping a coin worked one time, what conclusions can I draw? Do I take it as a sign that I should always flip a coin to decide whether or not to bring an umbrella, that I should always take an umbrella no matter what, that I should make all binary decisions with the flip of a coin, that coins will always come up heads, or that it is always raining whenever a coin is heads?

Or, instead, should I simply turn on the weather channel every morning in order to decide whether or not I should bring an umbrella to work?

[Kidlicious]

Wow! Lorizael, that's not the question. You're suppose to back this assertion up, "internal and external forces? I reason my way through arguments." My question to that is "So are you saying that you reason yourself through to absolute truth, or there are internal and external forces involved." If that's not it then define truth and how you reason your way to it and avoid error.

You wasted a bunch of time just demonstrating how you can't think reasonably and intelligently. Now please answer the question.

[rah]

A waste of time! Look, you aren't getting anywhwere. All you are doing is the same exact thing that you are accusing me of, but you're calling me stupid and yourself smart. You all can't possibly be this stupid are you?

Hmm, in one post I commented that you've been pawned in this thread, and that I found some of your posts funny, but please feel free to point out one post where I called myself smart or you stupid.

And I have complete faith that I am not stupid, (well I guess more than just faith, because no one that stupid could make the money I make doing what I do)

[Kidlicious]

I can't even tell what argument Kid is trying to make here--it seems to have degenerated into his repeatedly saying something like "I know you are, but what am I?"--but he's no BK.

It's different. In a sense I'm claiming that they are accusing me of something that they are. But they are being dishonest where I am being honest.

[Kidlicious]

Hmm, in one post I commented that you've been pawned in this thread, and that I found some of your posts funny, but please feel free to point out one post where I called myself smart or you stupid.

And I have complete faith that I am not stupid, (well I guess more than just faith, because no one that stupid could make the money I make doing what I do)

Do you or don't you have the ability to explain what you believe? I took it that you claim that you do have that ability while I do not. You were condesending leading to my assumption.